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Man, what brought this on? Something in particular, or just the last decade or so of AH.com? :biggrin:

Idunno, I'm just pissing in the wind. Don't mind me. It just vaguely pisses me off every time I see a gutted Mexico and an inevitable uber-US, or an unchanging and seemingly un-thought-about China.
 
It's like nobody cares about East Asia, which is funny because that's where most of the people are, and have been since the beginning. I like that it isn't a Mexico-screw though, because I'm convinced that screwing Mexico is just unconsciously assumed by most people.

"And here's the borders and sub-borders and municipalities of all the chiefdoms of the European subcontinent"

"Oh, and China and Latin America exist too, they're the same and stuff cause idk lol brown people amirite?"
This has been adressed pretty often here. People constantly complain about mapmakers here ignoring x part of the world or being too eurocentric. The simple truth is people make maps about things they know about or are interested in. Considering the vast majority of people on this board are westerners, it's obvious that this would happen.

It also doesn't help that, considering many of us have backgrounds in history, a subject with an enormous amount of focus on accuracy, we tend to be very critical at times and tend to get particularly harsh when someone's work is poorly researched or has inaccuracies. Historians are just taught to limit their scope.

In the end, this means that most of us will simply ignore parts they know little about by fear of glossing over incredible amount of information that a single person cannot possibly retain.

And, you know, this is meant to be fun. It wouldn't be fun for everyone to have to focus on the entire world and do increasing amount of serious research just to make a simple map.
 

Dorozhand

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Yeah, that's basically why I haven't posted in a while. I can't finish anything anymore because I can't organize my thoughts and research into a coherent whole. So everything I do becomes a vague painting envisioning a theme of a world, rather than a coherent point on a coherent timeline.

*curls back into fetal position within a pile of papers and beer cans*
 
Yeah, that's basically why I haven't posted in a while. I can't finish anything anymore because I can't organize my thoughts and research into a coherent whole. So everything I do becomes a vague painting envisioning a theme of a world, rather than a coherent point on a coherent timeline.

*curls back into fetal position within a pile of papers and beer cans*
Bah, I took your post too seriously anyways. Sorry about that. This hospital stay is driving me insane. :coldsweat:

Remember, though, that for every Ameriwank and Mexico-screws there are plenty of Ameriscrews in response. We all enjoy good-old Ameriscrews!

... or I do, at least!
 
I finally polished it a bit and wrote descriptions. Also made continuations through to 2032, with plans for 2050.
As I feel bad for basically reposting my old content, I'll post 2 parts now. The next part I'll post in a week or so, if anybody is interested.
Here it is:

And here's the map for 2025:
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In 2025 Europe looks quite different than it did in 2020, though not irrevocably so. As the economic crisis of 2020 raged over Europe, it was not the place it influenced most. With oil prices collapsing, it left many petrostates in the Middle East without means to support their soceities, and soon people took to the streets the cries for democracy and better life. As the area generally devolved into a civil war, new powers came to be. Kurdistan, initially active in the south, swept through kurdish lands of Turkey as it, too, fell apart after a nutjob killed their president. In Turkey, the government accuses practically everybody of an attempted coup, while rebels rose up when the crack down turned violent, and local governors in former Adana and Pontus try to keep peace de-facto defying the government, though paying fealty de-ure. To the south, Islamic Caliphate rages war against everybody, while trying to reconstruct "the great society of old", romanticizing the age of Islamic conquests against infidels. The "moderate" rebels were quickly radicalized and joined the Caliphate, or were eliminated due to lack of popular support. Iran is trying to set up a regime in south Iraq to act as a buffer, but persistent terrorism and local resistance makes it look worthless. And with the Saudi King breaking 90 years the prospects are not looking good for them either.
With chaos in middle east millions of people are moving towards Europe, and it finally exposed the growing differences between France&Germany and Poland&Ukraine, the later massing up a huge following across Eastern Europe, with issues from ranging immigration to the measure of Brussels involvement in local economies. Effectively having half of EU Council on its side, the Visegrad Group managed to stop most of european legislature, and this crisis remains unsolved as of 2025.
Due to massive economic contraction a number of independence movements rose up from calls for another referendum in Quebec to Scotland nationalists, Italian Lega Nord and Yugoslavian secessionists.
As economy is collapsing in the north as well as in the south, from Greece and South Italy to Norway and Iceland, only the "central" or "middle" Europe from France to Ukraine is left to pick up the bill.
Things are not looking as grimm in Siberia though, as China, perhaps the only country with economy not to dip in the negatives, is just beyond the border and a continuous immigration from the western neighbours, there still is push to establish a single market in the Commonwealth, to let people freely move in and combine the economies in this uncertain times.

How did the Visegrad group lose Hungary?
 
They way you've drawn it, it looks like Hungary is not in the Visegrad group. If that is the intent, it might be worth renaming the group for this timeline, as Visegrad is in Hungary.
 
I replaced country colours with Visegrad colour and then added a Eurozone layer on top. I'm sorry if that's confusing, but putting another outline would have made things worse, IMHO.
 
Idunno, I'm just pissing in the wind. Don't mind me. It just vaguely pisses me off every time I see a gutted Mexico and an inevitable uber-US, or an unchanging and seemingly un-thought-about China.

You really don't want to know how long it took me to work out what was going on in the outer Chinese territories in 1885.

EDIT: Suffice to say most source maps are massively contradictory.
 
Idunno, I'm just pissing in the wind. Don't mind me. It just vaguely pisses me off every time I see a gutted Mexico and an inevitable uber-US, or an unchanging and seemingly un-thought-about China.
Would you be more specific on which maps you are talking about? Heck, in the map right over your first comment on this there was an alternate border between Mongolia and China, even bough the focus was on a bizarrely sliced American Kingdom. And part of the reason people don't go so much into Latin American borders? They mostly only meet in deserts, mountains, or jungles. Their revolutions and wars tend to be internal and if any of us where to put up the bizarrely straight or angled lines that Boilivia and Paraguay claimed at various times in the Gran Chazo region it would be lambasted as totally unrealistic. As for China, they are like a continent on their own. A subcontinent at the least. Though a Sinocentric map might be interesting...

Alright, challenge time. Let's see if anyone can make a map based on how the Chinese(or their rulers) saw the world at any point in time. Including how they apparently recorded having the Pope personally come to pay the Emperor tribute.
 
Alright, challenge time. Let's see if anyone can make a map based on how the Chinese(or their rulers) saw the world at any point in time. Including how they apparently recorded having the Pope personally come to pay the Emperor tribute.
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But to be fair this is fairly accurate for the Zhou Dynasty, albeit massively simplified.
 
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