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Only if you have thin paper. And a way to keep it in place. Unless there is some graphics program for it. Probably, but I wouldn't know.
Use any program that has layers as a component and trace over, its super simple. Inkscape is free and that's what I use for all of my maps. I generally use 2-3 base maps and 2 references for each map I make. Here's a link to my tutorial if you'd like to learn how to create maps other than WorldA.

I'm actually not very good at tracing... Super slow at it.

So am I haha, it takes the longest time apart from colour selection
 
BloodAndBones' Map of the First Kingdom of Estara

Absolutely stunning map by my very good childhood friend, I'm proud of his progress!
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War game map thingy....

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imagine, if all these lines represent borders between independent countries and every country totally hates each other. OMG! :-O :-O
 
@Clandango Okay so burn Washington and leave. I had it in my mind that if the British were able to burn Washington then siege a city or even surround and starve a city that the US would have to sue for peace leaving them fragile and in debt which would allow for a Louisiana Re-Purchase all because they still saw the United States as the black mark on the Empire and wanted to weaken them as revenge. I hope that makes sense.

@Asami So the only possible way he could hold the territory is if he only sold New Orleans? I had it in my mind that if the British whooped the United States in a similar fashion to what I have suggested he would view them as backwater nation too weak to do anything and would offer 75 million Francs (which required the draining of the wealth of the Confederacy of the Rhine and other recently conquered lands). At this point should I abandon the Louisiana Re-Purchase?

I figured I would ask and see if I should abandon this Louisiana Re-Purchase before I remake the coronation map for 1847. Does anybody have any ideas of what could be added to the empire instead of Louisiana? I just wanted to see what the community thinks on how to make this as plausible as possible.
 
So, what is going on in Russia, the US, Japan, the Ottoman Empire and the UK?

If Ukraine had won?

What do the French in Africa plan to do?

Russia is a republic run by a military strongman, who barely allows for autonomy for the autonomous okrugs (in lighter gold). Elections do happen but they aren't too meaningful.
The US sat out WW1 and is just before a recession. Otherwise it's pretty similar to OTL.
Japan is feeling pretty good right now. While nominally neutral during WW1 due to their bad relations with Russia, they were successful opportunists after the war concluded. It's pretty democratic in the metropolitan areas but Kamchatka and Indochina are treated as colonies (and of course Korea and Taiwan see pro-Japanese policies, but they are at least treated as integral parts of the empire).
The Ottoman Empire also sat out WW1 and has still decided that northern Iraq and eastern Anatolia need to be more Turkish... Commonly seen as a rogue state by the European powers.
The United Kingdom is kinda shell-shocked that the Entente lost and that France fell to communists, but thanks to them selling a lot of goods to the Entente they made a nice profit without any noteworthy losses.

The Germans were willing to help Ukraine but ultimately decided against it, fearing to get bogged down in Russia if they did. If Ukraine had had German aid, it probably would've become an independent state with sea access and not just a mere autonomous okrug.

For now they want to make sure that there are no native revolts, and then maybe support anti-Communist forces in metropolitan France. But since not even the Germans seem to care that much about red France right now, they don't have allies who might help them retake the motherland, so they'll have to bide their time for now.

The Portuguese and British must love how their ports in southern China border socialists now. Then again, perhaps that gives them a little more leverage or the government is more efficient. Guess it depends if Europeans and Americans got resources form that region in particular or from provinces further upriver. And Norway... Did they get anything from the British in return for giving up claims to those Northern Canadian Islands that they but not the Canadians actually landed on? Probably not, but they would expect at LEAST to keep Bouvet Island, which the British seemed to have claimed here. Though reading up on it it seems the British did land there first and there was a dispute on it, so congrats for managing to get such a detail in your map. Are things in Yugoslavia split by Croat, Serb, and Muslim, or do they have differences between Bosniancs, Bosniaks, etc there? And for more one-pixel points, did the Italians not make a deal with the Vatican here? And will Monaco float into Italy's orbit, or will it do what it did in the French Revolution and smile a lot while giving Paris money? Ahh, and how did the closing of treaty ports go in China? The French shutter the doors in the one to the south peacefully? And did the Japanese give up Port Arthur as part of some sort of a deal?

Guandong is barely socialist, a bit more leftist than Sun Yat-Sen, but yes, the British and Portuguese aren't super comfortable with it being around since it is far less cooperative than the Beijing government.

Bouvet Island was only first visited and claimed by Norway in 1927, way before the POD. So the British did annex it and they call it Liverpool Island. Regarding the claims in the Canadian Arctic, the Norwegians did try to get them but ceded them to Canada in exchange for the British pushing the Council of Nations to at least give the Norwegians Jan Mayen.

Yugoslavia is split into four entities: the Croatian region, the Serbian region, the Muslim region, and the Sarajevo region.

The dispute between Italy and the Papacy is not yet resolved, so Vatican City doesn't exist right now.

With Monaco it's too early to call. t might float into the Italian orbit, arrange itself with the new French government, or become the most neutral place in the world. I'm not sure yet XD

I actually forgot about Port Arthur, I will definitely add it back in. The French leased territory of Guangzhouwan was seized by Guandong shortly after Japan occupied French Indochina. Most of the other concessions, especially the British ones, are still around but I chose to not show them because of their small size.
 
After his Indian campaign, Alexander returned to Babylon, where he planned out an invasion of Arabia. This brief campaign allowed him to turn several Arab kingdoms into vassals. After successfully bringing the fertile parts of Arabia under his rule, he returned to India, where from Boukephala he planned to leed another campaign. This campaign proved to be difficult, despite his choice of a combination of Persian and Indian (from his satraps of Taxiles and Poros) troops in the invasion. The Nanda Empire was able to defeat the yet-undefeated Alexander at Indraprastha[1], but after some sulking, he came back for more, and was able to conquer land down the Ganges River, burning down Indraprastha, though its strategic location made another city being built there a must. Yet, as he moved further, he found that the disintegrating Nanda Empire is also being invaded by Maghada, led by its king Sandrokottos[2]. Intent on invading this too, he was able to take Kashi[3] after a harsh battle. However, an attempt to take Pataliputra ended in failure, and Alexander decided to return to Babylon, having conquered most (but not all) of North India.

After his death, the empire was partitioned. In India, this partition proved more harmful than anywhere else, for the formerly stable system that existed prior to Alexander's conquests has been replaced by one in which minor kingdoms fought one another. Maghada was unable to capitalize on this, as Sandrokottos converted to the Cult of Mahavira[4], abdicated the throne, and starved himself to death according to the cult's beliefs[5]. His successor proved to be a weak leader and destabilized the kingdom, spreading the chaos across the subcontinent. Even Brahmins killed one another. In this void came Eudemos, the satrap of Kasperia[6]. Sensing a requirement for stability, he invaded his neighbours and brought northern India into his rule. The later part of his rule was made up of several wars against the empire or Seleukos, which ended abruptly after his assassination and the rise of a native noble as Shahanshah of Persia. The later part of his reign ended in peace, and India began to rebuild. Yet this time, the caste system had effectively died out, for the Wars of the Diadochi had effectively led it to be meaningless

The next great basileus of India came in the dorm of Herakles I, who invaded the Deccan, spreading the rising Helleno-Indian culture there. He made the rising vernacular, a combination of Sanskrit and Greek, the national language of his empire and saw the discovery of linguistic links between Greek and Sanskrit. His reign also saw the completion of the syncretism between the Hindu and Hellenic religions. Shiva was identified with Zeus, Durga was equated with Artemis, Saraswati was seen as one with Athena, and Alexander was worshipped as the ninth avatar of Vishnu. His rule was prosperous as well, except for a war with Persia that ended with the status quo. His successor, Alexander IV, was the first basileus of India to hold that name since the great Alexander, and he had great things to look up to. He saw the final conquest of all lands in the Indian subcontinent, and began to look to the east for trade expansion, for Persia effectively locked out India from the West. And, indeed, the Golden Isles that they discovered looked like it had great wealth.

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[1] Delhi. On the map, it's called "Shivopolis".
[2] Chandragupta Maurya.
[3] Varanasi.
[4] Jainism.
[5] This happened IOTL, except he ruled over all of the Indian subcontinent at this point.
[6] The Kashmir Valley.
 
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[1] Delhi. On the map, it's called "Shivopolis".
[2] Chandragupta Maurya.
[3] Varanasi.
[4] Jainism.
[5] This happened IOTL, except he ruled over all of the Indian subcontinent at this point.
[6] The Kashmir Valley.

I love this.

When shall we see more of the rest of the world? Egypt? Greece? Persia? The Middle Kingdom? Rome?
 
Map Alt WWI

Nice alternate WWI scenario there, although I'm rather skeptical of the French hard left being strong enough to take over in case of a negotiated peace: it took total military collapse in the case of Russia, a rather more ramshackle state than France. More likely there's a red revolt put down by the majority of the army, and we get some sort of *Fascist France which hates everyone, but especially the perfidious Anglais (justifiably: the French and British were only a hairs breadth short of an alliance in 1914. Unwillingness to betray the French trust was probably at least as big a reason for British intervention OTL as the violation of Belgian neutrality).

Suggestion: put those numbered points in list form, not paragraph form. It would be more legible.
That far eastern republic probably isn't long for the world, unless it's being protected by the Japanese.
Central Asia sounds a bit like Central Asia in "Male Rising" (not that that is a bad thing, at all. :) )
I don't think the word "Rogue state" really applies to European thinking at the time: the Turks are just being "oriental barbarians", like browner-skinned lesser peoples are wont to do.
What sort of government does China have? Does it just firmly control the area around Beijing marked darker in the map and the rest of the country being "loyal warlords?"
 
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Cross-posting from MotF. Writeup is in the works.

<Here's the write up for the map, in case anyone was interested.>

(Note: I do not own or claim to own any of the work produced by Harry Turtledove.)
This TL actually diverges from Turtledove's 'Atlantis' timeline, whose original POD is somewhere 85,000,000 years in the past, where the east coast of OTL North America breaks off and forms it's own mini-continent (much akin to OTL's New Zealand). This being said, this scenario diverges during the French and Spanish War of Turtledove's TL. In 'Opening Atlantis', the British successfully defeat the French and Spanish in several theaters, including the Atlantean theater. This results in France ceding its territory in Atlantis to Britain. These territories would later rebel and form the 'United States of Atlantis,' purchasing Spanish territory in the south as well so that the USA controlled the entire mini-continent.

In this scenario, the French and Spanish War is fought to a stalemate. While Britain and their Prussian allies are technically the winners, less territory is exchanged. This results in France maintaining its hold on its Atlantean colony.

Flash forward to the mid-1900's. Europe has reached a tipping point and lines are being drawn. The Allies, (Britain, Germany, and Moscow) are facing down the Entente (France, Italy, and Austria-Hungary). For the second time in history, Europe has sparked another global conflict.

In Atlantis, the full effect of the war is not felt right away. French Atlantis begins building up their military forces to assist their motherland. Though the United States has a 'special relationship' with Britain and has much more Anglo-German leanings, the Consuls both assure the nation that they will do everything in their power to keep the US from war.

This all changed on May 7, 1942. French airships launched a surprise attack across the mouth of the Stour River (OTL Potomac River) into southern Freetown, the southernmost state in the Union that shared a name with its capital city. The airships bombed the Blackpool Naval Yard, where a sizable portion of the United States' Atlantic fleet was stationed. Three Hannover-class battleships, two Avalon-class battleships, two Destroyers, and thee cruisers, as well as numerous other smaller ships were damaged or sunk.

This attack shifted the attitude of the nation dramatically. The next day, Consuls Richard Andrews and Micah Praeger called an emergency Senate session to request an immediate declaration of war against France. They received it, after a moving speech by Praeger, with resounding applause.

The Atlantean Theater ignited with several skirmishes across the Erdre and Stour rivers, mostly ending in favor of France. As France pushed into Germany in Europe, French Atlantis surged north into the United States, quickly taking all of Freetown and much territory in the surrounding states. The 'high water mark' sat west of New Hastings, and north of Honker's Mill and Horsham. By this time, the Atlantean army had fully mobilized and stalled the French advance. From July to December of 1943, the front remained at the 'high water mark,' hampered by trenches, mountains, and foul weather.

Relief for the Atlanteans came in the winter of 1943-1944. General Josiah Radcliff, commander of the Army of the United States, launched a winter campaign into Freetown and successfully took back the city-proper and most of the state. While French troops were diverted away from the western front, Commanders Harem Knox and Carl Hand took back New Grinstead and crossed the Erdre to liberate the southwestern corner of the country. The French Atlanteans sent requests for more troops and supplies to their mother country, but France was finding itself slowly encircled on land and water by Britain and Germany and was unable to send more support.

With the United States-proper liberated, Radcliff launched an attack against the French capital of Cosquer, burning most of it completely to the ground. Most in the US saw this as retaliation for the May 7th attack. He then moved his troops into the interior of French Atlantis, aimed for the fort-city of Nouveau Redon. By this time, the other Allied Powers had enough troops and supplies to send fleets to aid the US. Sailing east from Terranova was an Ontarian fleet under Admiral John Wilme, and west from Britain was another fleet commanded by Winston Endicott. While Radcliff struck down the Loire River in the interior of the continent, Wilme assaulted the major French port of New Marseille and Endicott shelled St. Denis and the Banks.

As Britain and Germany closed in on Paris in Europe, Radcliff continued chasing the remnants of the French Atlantean government. He finally tracked them down in a small village on the banks of the Loire. Radcliff forced the Governor-General of French Atlantis to surrender in the early part of 1946.
 
The one problem I have, retroactively, with the Atlantis series is that everyone who's worth a damn in Atlantean history was descendants of the same goddamn family. And that evidently Turtledove only cared enough to name cities and not states. The fact that most states in this United States were named after their capital pisses me off now. I enjoyed the series immensely when reading it but now I can see it more critically.
 
The one problem I have, retroactively, with the Atlantis series is that everyone who's worth a damn in Atlantean history was descendants of the same goddamn family. And that evidently Turtledove only cared enough to name cities and not states. The fact that most states in this United States were named after their capital pisses me off now. I enjoyed the series immensely when reading it but now I can see it more critically.

Very true. He never states if the list of states is exhausive, meaning that there could be (and likely are) other unnamed states, especially in the south. Also, the geography of the places is focused a lot on the east coast. Avalon and New Marseille are the only two states mentioned with capitals on the West Coast. It's pretty frustrating making maps for the series too, not only because of the vague place descriptions, but also because most of the named locations are in 'English Atlantis.' So, for this map, there's a lot of locations named in the north, but virtually none in the south.
 
Very true. He never states if the list of states is exhausive, meaning that there could be (and likely are) other unnamed states, especially in the south. Also, the geography of the places is focused a lot on the east coast. Avalon and New Marseille are the only two states mentioned with capitals on the West Coast. It's pretty frustrating making maps for the series too, not only because of the vague place descriptions, but also because most of the named locations are in 'English Atlantis.' So, for this map, there's a lot of locations named in the north, but virtually none in the south.
That's the problem with Turtledove. He's great at writing plots and inter-personal drama but his worldbuilding absolutely stinks. And that's not counting all the blatant historical xeroxing that his stories go through. Like the idea that the independent Anglo nation in Atlantis would call themselves the United States.
 
Did the books ever go into what was going on with the rest of OTL America north of Mexico? I mean, if you sail west from north Atlantis do you run into *Ontatio? *Michigan?
 
Did the books ever go into what was going on with the rest of OTL America north of Mexico? I mean, if you sail west from north Atlantis do you run into *Ontatio? *Michigan?
Not really. The books mostly focused on Atlantis. The rest of North America might as well not exist as far as the books are concerned.
 
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