Map Thread XIV

[wtw]

Well, depends. Most don't care too much about the Temple Mount. Christians could have taken them long ago but no longer really cared, while Jews cannot walk on it for religious reasons. And Muslims are the only ones who care about America religiously, despite it once being for dozens of Arabian deities. Come to think of it, I think Mecca, Medina, and the Temple Mount mostly need fear the bulldozers of their caretakers and the House of Saud.

fair enough one has to wonder if they will do that though

 

[Used-to-be Song Chinese]

Hello hello hello.
I had an idea in mind of a map game, but first I need a map, and because I do not know how to create great maps (or where to find good base maps), I will ask here for someone who knows how to create nice and elegant maps to help me.

So, it's the 80's and the world is about to end.

I'm looking for someone to make a map of the U.S, Canada and Mexico where all of the coastlines, all of Yucatan, Baja California, Central Valley, the Mississippi drainage basin, the Great lakes area, Hudson bay, Florida, Salt lake city area, Nova Scotia and eastern Alaska are flooded. It's a bit based on "Lucifer's Hammer" by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle.

Thanks in advance, Shai

You should put your request in the "Request Maps/Flags" thread, thank you.

 

[roman8761]

and heres an atl where the ussr never fell(1994)

 

[Analytical Engine]

and heres an atl where the ussr never fell(1994)
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Communism.

Communism everywhere.

 

[Beedok]

Why did West Germany fall?

 

[Daniwani]

and heres an atl where the ussr never fell(1994)
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Looking pretty cool, but mind telling us the story behind Germany?

 

[Luminous]

and heres an atl where the ussr never fell(1994)
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I'm surprised that Article 5 wasn't invoked if a NATO member like Turkey was invaded in a fashion akin to Afghanistan. That and Germany/Austria make me curious; looks interesting otherwise.

Communism.

Communism everywhere.

Sorry. Couldn't resist.

 

[LSCatilina]

and heres an atl where the ussr never fell(1994)

*Sino-American alliance intensifies*

 

[Iori]

I'm surprised that Article 5 wasn't invoked if a NATO member like Turkey was invaded in a fashion akin to Afghanistan.

I don't think that's an invasion in Turkey but rather Soviet backed rebellion.

 

[roman8761]

and heres the next one(1997-pakistani indian war)

 

[Luminous]

I don't think that's an invasion in Turkey but rather Soviet backed rebellion.

It's just marked the same as the actions in Afghanistan, which I presumed were an extension of the OTL invasion.

Either way, Soviet-backed rebellions could cause a trigger as well... and, if I'm right, those rebellious areas are real close to the American bases with nuclear weapons in Turkey.

 

[Iori]

It's just marked the same as the actions in Afghanistan, which I presumed were an extension of the OTL invasion.

I don't think there's an invasion going on in Afghanistan, rather there's a Soviet backed state and a Saudi-American (I think those are the colors) backed state.

Either way, Soviet-backed rebellions could cause a trigger as well... and, if I'm right, those rebellious areas are real close to the American bases with nuclear weapons in Turkey.

Article 5 can only be triggered if a state has directly attacked or invaded a NATO member, covertly supporting a rebellion in one would not be trigger it, though it might cause limited conflict.

 

[Luminous]

Fair enough, though rebels armed with Soviet Weapons and in suspiciously large enough numbers to defeat the Turkish military seems to push it.

Reminds me of the Crimean intervention and Russian forces in Luhansk and Donetsk; they are in there and assisting the rebels against the national government.

 

[Zauberfloete]

TL-448 Eastern Option by Zauberfloete​

A short timeline with the point of divergence in 1914. Here the Kaiser managed to sway German High Command to attack Russia instead of attacking the Entente through Belgium. This decision managed to keep the British from aiding France and results in a Central Power victory by 1917. The postwar years has seen the establishment of a German hegemony over much of Europe and successful Russian and French revolutions. Now over two decades of peace tensions are rising between the Central Powers and the Communist regimes, with border incidents mounting. Even London and Rome has been caught up in the conflict with red infiltrators crossing the Alps or landing in southern Ireland. Like in the summer 1914, only a spark will spark a general clash of arms.

 

[Iori]

Fair enough, though rebels armed with Soviet Weapons and in suspiciously large enough numbers to defeat the Turkish military seems to push it.

Reminds me of the Crimean intervention and Russian forces in Luhansk and Donetsk; they are in there and assisting the rebels against the national government.

You don't even really need Russian soldiers there or that massive amount of arms transfer, that area is part of the Kurdish heartland and I'm 99% sure that the map is showing a Soviet backed Kurdish War of Independence from Turkey.

 

[roman8761]

and heres 1999(after india and pakistan nuked each other)

 

[Rosella]

and heres 1999(after india and pakistan nuked each other)

OR: The Very Land-Hungry Pakistan

 

[Luminous]

You don't even really need Russian soldiers there or that massive amount of arms transfer, that area is part of the Kurdish heartland and I'm 99% sure that the map is showing a Soviet backed Kurdish War of Independence from Turkey.

The southern tail, yes, but the northern one is something else. Roman's second map shows the establishment of an East Turkey, as Kurdistan-in-Iraq maintains it as separate and the new state in East Turkey encompasses many Turkish-majority areas as well.

Although, it does look like Erzurum is still Turkish, as well as... which is being recovered.

Oh, third map as I type!

...Communist South Africa is odd. And, if Pakistan and India did end up nuking each other, how is Pakistan intact enough to advance into India?

Talk about proxy wars out the wazoo.

 

[Iori]

...Communist South Africa is odd.

Slightly ahh maddening to since this series is including alot of ideas I had for a map series I've been working on myself, though unlike this one it's not a Soviet-wank.

 

[GalacticKiss]

I decided I'd try for a modern "Day After Ragnarok" scenario. In this one, North Korea is able to summon the Jörmungandr to attack the USA.

The beast Wipes out Hawaii and starts in on the East coast before it's head gets blown off by nukes.

The white is the body of the snake, the dark grey ocean represents the snake's body under the water, the green terra nullis represents the poisoned lands, and the darker greenish water represents poisoned water.

Obviously, whats interesting isn't necessarily this moment, that is, the moment after the head has been blown off... but what happens down the line as this alters the future. Obviously the USA is going to be invading North Korea. Zero doubts on that.... but this has a LOT of implications obviously. Not to mention the massive tsunami thats going to hurt most of the world (even the Mediterranean gets hit :/ )... I'd say the Atlantic Rim comes out the most unscathed.
I'm going to try to work on the "10 years later" idea... but we'll see . Feel free for anyone else to grab this and run with it if they want.