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Woolly Mammoth

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Only thing I don't understand is that why hasn't Korea re-unifed with the Communists not in charge of the North?
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The Communists are in charge in the North, it's just that things continued in the manner that took place for the early Cold War; South Korea replicated the political stability of South Vietnam whilst North Korea had a coup, established a sane joint leadership and were early adopters of OTL Chimese "state capitalism".
 

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Xhavnak said:
The Communists are in charge in the North, it's just that things continued in the manner that took place for the early Cold War; South Korea replicated the political stability of South Vietnam whilst North Korea had a coup, established a sane joint leadership and were early adopters of OTL Chimese "state capitalism".
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I see.
 
Zek Sora

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The Principality of Verona

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After a bit of a hiatus, I'm back with a little mini-project (~4-5 hour project). I have something significantly bigger in the works, I promise.

This is my interpretation of the Principality of Verona from Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet. For those that don't know, Romeo and Juliet is set in a city of Verona ruled by a sovereign prince. However, there was never actually a Prince of Verona; the closest Verona came to being independent was as a March of the Holy Roman Empire, and the capital of that March wasn't even the city of Verona (it was Aquila, for the curious). Verona ended up a part of the Venetian Republic. However, in my interpretation of Romeo and Juliet, Venice is a little less lucky/powerful, and Verona is able to preserve its independence as a minor trading city state, where two families hold great influence...

(Note: With some minor exceptions, most of the rest of Northern Italy is OTL.)
 

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USSR annexes all of Moldavia from Romania in 1940, instead of just the north and east it took OTL. Romania is compensated by "Further Dobrudja," from Bulgaria, and "Further Transylvania," from Hungary. Some time later Czecolavia gives most of transcarpathian ruthenia to the Ukrainian SSR, but also gives a bit to Romania.
 

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USSR annexes all of Moldavia from Romania in 1940, instead of just the north and east it took OTL. Romania is compensated by "Further Dobrudja," from Bulgaria, and "Further Transylvania," from Hungary. Some time later Czecolavia gives most of transcarpathian ruthenia to the Ukrainian SSR, but also gives a bit to Romania.
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If Romania was part of the Axis, why would it get rewarded with more land? Also, Czechoslovakia didn't "give" Transcarpathia to the Ukrainian SSR, it was taken over by the Soviets.
 

Panhomo

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If Romania was part of the Axis, why would it get rewarded with more land?
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I haven't thought the timeline all the way through. Mostly I wanted to see what a "greater Moldova" would look like on a map.

OTL Bulgaria was axis and kept the gains it made against Romania, so such a thing wasn't impossible.

Perhaps Romania was neutral.

Perhaps Romania capitulated early, or switched sides, in exchange for a more favourable peace.

Perhaps Stalin was just being arbitrary, or even got confused.

Also, Czechoslovakia didn't "give" Transcarpathia to the Ukrainian SSR, it was taken over by the Soviets.
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You're right that the Czechoslovaks had no choice in the ownership change, but I think "give" is still technically correct. "The old man gave his wallet to the mugger."
 
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Not sure what I'm trying to fully accomplish here, as I am not that familiar with things around the time of Rome. Basically Ireland gets conquered by Rome. They mostly got vassalized and rewarded with CIVILIZATION!, and later land in Britain (governor rewarding Irish convert mercenaries with it after the Legions left) and things go on from there, with one of the major parts being the Slavs migrate (and stay) slightly more westward and get a Draka/TSWW Irish League treatment (helped by a lack of Mongols, for one thing). Not sure if I want Islam to exist or have risen ITTL, but for now that'll be *Andalusia in Iberia.

Europe post-World War 2 equivalent, with the theocratic, racially-obsessed Slavic Imperium having lost its European periphery in Vlachia (Romania), Pommerania and it's terrorized Baltic territories. The Slavs major ally across the world, the *Inca empire, was defeated by a *Mexica empire with support from the Empire of Avalon (think Celtic/Irish *Thirteen Colonies rebelled and *George Washington figure became king-later-emperor). Cuzco was slammed by two nukes towards the end of the war and sloppy occupation ain't helping (nothing like IOTL's Marshall Plan to get them back up to speed). Obviously, the Americas (or anything but Europe for that matter) have yet to be done, because I am slightly convinced this is a stupid idea.

I should also note the only reason I've brought it up is because it's been on my computer for months (err... correctly, the idea of Draka-ish Slavs. Yeah, weird) and I want to get it out.

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Link to most recent post in this series. You might need to read it to understand the backstory. I'll try to elaborate in this write-up, but I might not make it very far. This series is sort of a piss-poor attempt of doing a Beedok-style map series. Bruce, I'm sorry I was so rude to you earlier. I did my best to adjust the series (retroactively) to make a bit more sense. If you see issues, please let me know.

The year is 1875. One hundred and seventy-five years ago, the Soviet Union, a nation that had lost most of its territory to an evil fascist dictatorship found itself ripped from its home timeline and dropped in the year 1700, supplanting the local corresponding territories. Here's what the world looked like on August 15, 1875, before the nuclear war between the Eurasian Socialist Union and the Western Socialist Republic.

North America
*China's done well with settling its Pacific portion of North America, the original Russian settlers in Alaska (from the ISOTed Pacific Soviet Union, not the downtime Russians) and the native tribes now kowtowing to the Han. There's minor conflict with the Crow and Blackfoot tribes, and the Caujoga (Kiowa) are brutal as usual, but there's largely peace. The only remnant of native American independence is the Interior Tribal Autonomous Province, which barely has an ethnic Chinese plurality thanks to Xian's breeding policies.
*Now that China has a firm grip on North America, they're beginning to get comfortable. California, a would-be regional power that declared independence after the collapse of the Spanish Empire, is rapidly falling under Chinese influence, most of the nation directly under Xian's grip despite the best efforts of the American Community (Details later).
*Nabiho (a collection of Southwest tribes the Spanish didn't feel like putting forth the effort to directly conquer) is preparing to be annexed into the United Human State, as China increasing insists on being called nowadays. The local tribes never really cared for the outsiders, the Spanish only interested in occasionally giving guns, and the AC nations only started to care when the Chinese were knocking down their door.
*Rosaria (Sonora) was a province of the Spanish Empire, and left when Mexica officially declared that it was no longer calling itself part of the Spanish Empire. Chinese interests got their grips in the nascent state almost immediately, which convinced Mexica that it needed to be a part of the American Community.
*Mexica's a state that was bloodied by the collapse of the Spanish Empire. Endless conflicts against the socialists in Morelia, the natives in the Yucatan, and even renegade military declaring themselves warlords, they finally recognized Rosaria and Morelia (Guerrero) as independent states, and viciously denounced the United Human State, coming to the side of New France and America with open and gleeful arms.
*Terra Esquina (Texas) officially joined New France as an autonomous nation two years ago. Nabiho, Rosaria, and Morelia were a wakeup call, and the Esquinian people were already friendly with New Orleans and Philadelphia, so it seemed an easy choice. The same was true for La Florida (Florida and the Bahamas), a quiet princedom and successor to the Spanish Empire, only they were a bit more reluctant. Seeing video of a Chinese carrier docked in Morelia's capital helped change their minds.
*Yoocateca (Yucatan), a Maya supremacist nation born out of the repressive nature of the Spanish state (formerly a rather peaceful protectorate), found itself being forced to choose between two perceived threats. The Chinese, who would supplant their culture in the name of paternalistic human unity, and the American Community, who would be make them stop killing Spaniards. The choice was made very reluctantly.
*Ocampano (Guatemala+Chiapas+that general area) is just going to keep its head buried in the sand and pretend the Chinese don't exist, while removing themselves from the influence of the outside world. That isn't going to go well for them.
*Francisca (Mosquito Coast, sort of), a warlord state facing the threat of Colombia invading to restore peace and decency, sought out the Eurasians for support. Moscow, happy to finally have a reliable ally in the Americas beyond their occupied portion of Central America (fucking Espanola, selling out), sent in a few thousand troops to support the local despot. He's since died, and Francisca is essentially run as a distant SSR, with fewer cultural eradications.
*Nicaragua was propositioned by Colombia with some sweet, sweet economic deals, and the latter quickly assumed control over the weaker nation, with Nicaragua being treated as an overseas Colombian state, much like Francisca and Eurasia.
*Panama and South Nicaragua are both states under Chinese and Eurasian occupation, respectively. The native populations have long since learned to shut up and listen to the nice men with guns. Both are run by a compliant strongman, and there's quite a bit of paranoia on both sides of the border between Earth's two most powerful nations.
*Cuba is looking to New France, and by extension, the American Community, as a closer partner as Chinese influence looms closer and closer.
*Espanola was a giant plantation colony for the Spanish Empire, and there was a massive slave revolt followed by an ethnic cleansing when the Empire fell. After receiving initial Soviet support, a brief civil war ousted them from power, and a New French team arrived just in time to support the new regime. After a tense standoff, Eurasia decided that it wouldn't be worth it, and made a backroom deal with New Orleans to acknowledge their annexation of Hudsonia and the rest of the Arctic North America as legitimate, in exchange for their recognition of Espanolan dependence on France. They accepted, and Espanola joined New France ten years ago.
*New France itself is powerful. Easily the fifth strongest nation on Earth, and an honest regional contender against both China and Eurasia. Initially a clusterfuck of refugees clashing against local natives, disease, and chaotic/uncertain leadership, it's since grown into a powerful industrial state, where natives and Frenchmen have a loose cooperation to survive as a nation. This reluctant multiculturalism blossomed into a legitimate sort of acceptance, and Spanish is increasingly a second language for many New Frenchman, as refugees from the former Empire flow in. This has made integrating La Florida and Terra Esquina much simpler. Unfortunately, there's still a strong trend of resistance among the Caujoga and many tribes allied to them, and New French troops have grown skilled in anti-guerilla tactics.
*There's a territorial dispute between New France and the United Human State over a section of the Arctic. New France is terribly conflicted over this crisis. If they back down, they prove to the American Community that they can't handle standing against China. If they don't, however, do they really want a war with the strongest power on Earth, especially with what happened to Hindustan, over a bunch of frelling ice?
*There's also internal disputes between America and New France. New France has always been a bit more liberal than America, a much more Christian nation, and its cultural pressure is intense. New England is increasingly moderating, however, as the rest of Internet-equivalents expose people to new ideas, concepts, and other religions. When the Governor of Massachusetts commented that perhaps sodomy should be legalized, the Parliament of the Whole immediately voted for his impeachment. Now people in the region are calling for independence, rioting in some cases, as they feel that Philadelphia's restrictive practices are holding them and their people back. Governor Jaque Tomson of Rhode Island has even remarked that perhaps New France would be a better nation for the people of New England.
*The American Community is an alliance against outside aggression and to promote internal peace and economic cooperation between the nations of the Americas. At least that's what the business cards say. In reality, it's New France and America's system to organize their allies. New France, America, Espanola, Cuba, Yoocateca, and Mexica form a tight alliance that they believe is strong enough to ward off a Chinese invasion.
*Eurasia's had luck with the Arctic natives, opting to simply leave them alone as long as they pay a moderate fee to Moscow. The natives are reluctantly accepting, both out of fear, and interest in modern technology. They have made it clear to Moscow that they don't want overt Eurasian colonization of their Arctic, which Moscow is fine with. That's what Newfoundland, Hudsonia, and Greenland are for, if they want to send dissidents to cold places. The Arctic makes a convenient place to gather resources and to store nukes to hit New France or China.

*South America
*Brasil eventually decided that the territorial dispute with Peru was largely pointless when they had the untapped resources of Africa at their disposal, and accepted a minor fee in order to recognize it as Peruvian territory. They're almost entirely an African country now, and a bill to make Sao Salvador the capital has gone into law.
*Colombia is a rising power. A Spanish governorship that broke away peacefully during the collapse of the Spanish Empire, they're doing their best at industrializing, and have kept up a friendly relationship with Brasil, Peru and New Spain (Chile). They dream of supplanting New French and Chinese influence in Central America.
*Westerner Guyana has been occupied by Colombia. The Westerners are tied up in their war against the Eurasians, Moroccans, and Wolufese, and are losing. Colombia found it an easy thing to occupy, and have therefore declared war against the WSR.
*Peru and Montana (Bolivia/Paraguay, sort of) are largely unimportant princedoms, descended from individuals who broke away (violently in Montana's case). They spend their spare time trying to avoid the tender grasp of China, and keep up a very loose mutual defense pact with the rest of South America. Peru's beginning to consider that it has a lot of untapped potential, however, and some radicals are suggesting that an alliance with the United Human State could be a useful way to achieve that goal.
*New Spain is the last remnant of the Spanish Empire, a military dictatorship that seeks to reunite the local governorship under its rule, but it's moderating as it sees that conflict with its neighbors could draw China's interests to the continent. That didn't stop it from subsuming two breakaway states, mind you, and it isn't keeping it from not recognizing Cisplatina and Platana.
*Cisplatina (Uruguay) and Platana (Buenos Aires region) don't especially want to join New Spain again, and have sought out Brasilian protection. Sao Salvador's essentially looked to New Spain, shrugged, and moved on with its day.

Europe
*In order to understand the war between the Eurasians and the Westerners, you have to understand Hitlerism. Germans were the ethnic group most poorly treated by the Russian occupiers in the early days, and throughout the generations, that practice continued. A myth emerged in the increasingly dilapidated towns Germans lived in of the mighty Adolf Hitler, who led an empire that brought the Soviets to their knees, and the only thing that saved them was their arrival to this world. A charismatic man who took up plastic surgery and struck on Transplant Day (November 6), leading a rebellion of Germans throughout Eurasian territory.
*The Hitlerite Uprising was put down within three months, but in taking down the rebellion, the Eurasians accidentally struck towns within the Westerner Rhineland. The situation escalated. And now, the first war between modern nations since the Hindustani Obliteration is occurring. The Eurasians, as well as their West African allies, are pushing hard against the Westerners, and winning. No nukes have been used yet, but that's only because the memory of the dozens of nukes and their effects on Hindustan is constantly on the minds of both sides' military and leadership.
*However, Moscow is growing impatient with Westerner tenacity. The Irish rebellion isn't slowing them down, the Moroccan support in Andalusia is doing little, and several hundred thousand Eurasian soldiers have already died on the Alps alone. Premier Kasantseva hesitates before giving the order, as she knows that the Westerners will only strike back in greater force. But her generals have assured her that a mere launch against soldiers will only cause tit for tat, and the Western intelligence is decidedly inferior to theirs. So, she does so, and twelve mushroom clouds appear near the front lines in Central Europe.

Africa
*Morocco is gleefully enjoying the opportunity to strike against the Westerner colonies on the southern coat of West Africa, and has already barreled through their border states with the help of their li'l buddy, Woluf (Senegal). Both follow the practices of their respective People's Sultan, as everyone knows that Islam is a religion that follows the will of the worker, and the Sultan is the figure whom Allah works through to promote the worker's liberation. The Westerners are doing their best to defend, and in their defense, they weren't too terrible to their conquered peoples, not as bad as Axuminia, anyway, not that that's a huge accomplishment.
*Sokt (Sokoto/Mali) used to be in Woluf's position, but has since grown a bit too proud of itself to accept submission to Rabat. They're busy mowing down tribals in the Sahara, and are looking cautiously towards Axuminia (Ethiopia) as an ally. It's not like they're committing wanton genocide anymore, right? Communication through the tribal border states both empires set up ages ago is going smoothly, and the leaders of both nations are slowly moving towards an official alliance.
*Onitsha (Nigeria) is going through the national equivalent of a midlife crisis. Humiliated by Sokt in their war decades ago, they're now little more than Brasil's economic client state, and Portuguese is almost more common than native languages in the educated world. Hell, people are openly talking about just joining up with the foreigners. It's causing quite a bit of debate in the power that once had regional aims, and a lot of soul searching to boot.
*Brasil's economic center is now easily recognizable as being Africa. It's rather amazing how the love between the Emperor of Brasil and the Queen of the Kongo resulted in such a partnership, but in a dark horse approach to geopolitics, Brasil is the fourth most powerful state on Earth. Their tributary system promotes a gradual annexation of tribal states on its border, and a general pushback against 'decadent savagery', as Sao Salvador puts it.
*Amasoolo (Zulu) is a close ally of Brasil. They were impressively powerful, and (admittedly with Hindustani support) repelled Brasilian colonization efforts. Nowadays, they have sort of a 'vitriolic best buds' relationship, as Amasooli soldiers fight for Brasil, and Brasilian economic support uplifts Amasoolo to heights they doubt they would have reached on their own anytime soon. The King is very pleased with the current arrangement, as are the people. Brasil just thinks their Portuguese accent sounds a bit ridiculous.
*Axuminia, once a genocidal state that only received Eurasian support because they didn't feel like finding a replacement, has moderated after a recent shift in power from the Regional-Kings to a more central authority that totally isn't a Eurasian-sponsored coup. Nope. Their expansion into the rest of Central Africa has virtually come to a screeching halt, as Axuminia more focuses on industrializing further and modernizing its army. Eurasia is wary of Chinese influence in Juu Ran, and knowing that Axuminia has warped into a house of cards held up by Moscow's guns, they're trying to improve it as a nation.
*Juu Ran (Somalia) is a more peaceful, paternalistic empire that long ago switched sponsors from Eurasia to the United Human State. They're currently growing closer to Brasil, however, so there might be yet another flip flop. Of the socialist powers, Juu Ran is probably the nicest place to live. It's modernized, not too oppressive unless you're outright speaking against the Juuranite Socialist Council, and racially progressive, having happily accepted Hindustani refugees. Mostly as manual labor in the endless industrialization of the interior jungle, but, eh.
*Zanzibar has been occupied by Chinese soldiers. Now that Laurentia (Madagascar) has been firmly integrated into the United Human State, they're looking for another outpost in the region. Zanzibar, a neutral state with loose ties to Juu Ran and otherwise staying out of international affairs, was a perfect choice. This is rather terrifying to Brasil, who is beginning to look northwards to the American Community as an ally. New Orleans is absolutely ecstatic at that possibility. The Zanzibaran occupation is also worrying Juu Ran, who is beginning to realize they might be just a pawn to China, a way for them to consolidate Africa before they swoop in and take over their country. Juu Ran is beginning to send out feelers to Eurasia, to try and get a new sponsor.

Asia/Oceania
*The Middle East is firmly Eurasian. The Soviet programs to fuse Islam and socialism (not originally sponsored by Moscow, but by a quick-thinking and desperate local governor) have spread throughout the Islamic world, and suggesting that Islam and socialism are one and the same would draw a reaction of 'well, duh' in most of the Islamic world. This idea has led to the spread of Islam in leftist circles, and you'll find that a tenth of ethnic Russians have some amount of faith in Islam. The Hejaz bears a Eurasian flag over it, and no one sees a problem with Mecca having statues of famous leftist thinkers right next to the Kaaba.
*Persia's still independent, for some reason, a leftover from the days when the Central Asian Socialist Republic was in existence. It's a quaint little socialist dictatorship that doesn't make too many waves. Ever since nuclear power became the energy of choice, it's become even quieter.
*India, on the other hand, holy fuck. The nuclear war in the 1840s is still showing its effects, and China/Eurasia have divvied up the subcontinent. Chinese generals rule over six puppet states formed from old Hindustan, and Rajasthan/Punjab are now both Eurasian SSRs. There's still radiation in quite a bit of the subcontinent, and a great deal of it is underpopulated, refugees having fled to greener locales, like New France, Peru, Colombia, Chinese Australia, Juu Ran, or Brasil.
*Gurjarata (Gujarat) has kept independence, but Swat (Kashmir), Indore (Madhya Pradesh), Magadha (Bihar+rest of region), Marata (Maharashtra), Tamizarka (Tamil Nadu+Ceylon), and Madrana (south India) have not been so lucky, all being ruled by Chinese-approved leaders, and all having some degree of rebellious activity. Millions flow out of India every year, and the world is facing a sort-of refugee crisis from it.
*China has officially declared the Russian nationalist rebels in former CASR (Central Asian Socialist Republic) Siberia defeated, as there has not been an attack in four years.
*The last of the Indonesian people's kingdoms have been subsumed into China proper, as have the tribes of New Guinea. Kampuch (Cambodia) was annexed as a full province in 1865.
*The leftover radiation from the war with Hindustan is mostly gone, but there are still parts that remain in destitution from it, so Xian continues work to rebuild elsewhere.
*Australia, or Shamdao, as its referred to by the United Human State, is increasingly an economic center of the United Human State, with cities along the eastern coast becoming prosperous, supplanting the former positions of mainland cities.

World
*Technology level worldwide has reached rough parity with OTL. The Eurasians and Chinese have both landed on the Moon, and have agreed to split it into threes, one for Moscow, one for Xian, and one to decide upon later, probably as an arrangement between their vassals and them. Colonization should start in the next few decades, by their reckoning.

So. That's the first write-up this series has gotten. Please tell me what you think.
 
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