Map Thread XIV
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Miranda Brawner
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Those are some radical changes to the linguistic landscape of modern Europe. What surprised me the most was the large diaspora of East Germanic speakers in Southeast Europe and Anatolia, especially since the language family went extinct in OTL. I'm also intrigued by the large Latin presence in Great Britain and Ireland, and the colonization of most of Italy by West Germanic speakers, a category that seems to include OTL North Germanic. All of these changes, in addition to the total absence of Greek, lead me to think that the POD occurred around the time of Constantine the Great, and might be centered around him and the religious turmoil in the empire in the early 300s. Perhaps Constantine was never born, maybe he lost the civil war to Maxentius in 312, where in OTL he attributed his victory to a vision of God, and soon afterward began the empire's transition to Christianity. In TTL, maybe the empire did not accept Christianity as early or at all, and maybe Constantinople never became a capital city. The Greek-influenced eastern half of the empire, which endured for longer in OTL, might have collapsed before the Latin west in TTL, and the power vacuum in the east was filled by some Gothic warlords who carved new kingdoms out of the old Roman provinces, and fought constantly with the expanding Slavic states to the north and east.
That's my best guess. I'd love to hear what you had in mind!
Witch0Winter
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When you say newer reds and blues, do you mean a specific color scheme, and if so where might one find said color scheme?
1. In fact, 40 of the ISOTed countries have not yet achieved 2016 levels of development. Of these, 8 have not even re-invented the computer. These are South Ossetia, Tuvalu, Abkhazia, Nauru, Kiribati, the Marshall Islands, and Micronesia. The largest "regressed" country is Somalia. Many poorer countries have received outmoded computers and other "old" technology from UP development programs; if you're a government worker in Kiribati, for example, you could work on a computer that India sent you for free that was obsolete at the turn of the century, but it's still far, far ahead of anything made domestically.
2. The use of mass drivers is due mainly to the limitations of rocket travel: When you add more delta-V, you need more exponentially more fuel. For example, if you wanted to transport a crew capsule beyond Earth's gravity, you would need a rocket the size of a Saturn-V, which is 60 times as massive as the crew capsule. In order to get out of Earth-1's gravity, land on an Earth-2, and escape Earth-2's gravity to return back to Earth-1, you would need a rocket large enough to transport a Saturn-V beyond the first Earth's gravity, and it would therefore need to be ~60 times as massive as the Saturn-V. These are only rough examples; getting the actual numbers would require you to apply the Tsiolkovsky equation, apply considerations for heat shielding and aerobraking, and so on. With that said, rockets are still perfectly usable for orbit insertions within a single gravity well.
Basically, two-way travel between earths is far more difficult than, say, a two-way trip to Mars, just because of the physics involved. It's entirely possible for a single rocket to make the trip, it's just very difficult. There are, however, ways to reduce the need for fuel: For example, the rocket leaves Earth-1's gravity, gets into orbit around Earth-2, and drops the crew module. The crew module need only be large enough to get back into orbit and dock with the main ship. The main ship can then be used as a small, portable, single-use mass driver to launch the crew module electromagnetically back to Earth-1. The crew module is retrieved by Earth-1 and the main ship burns up in Earth-2's atmosphere. This would be much cheaper and easier to pull off than just having a bigger rocket, but it's still not as easy as getting the natives of Earth-2 to build a ship for you to use (or, failing that, to refuel your ship).
3. Actually, it would be perfectly possible to determine the "correct" position of the Earth just by measuring the parallax of known stars. I have two possible solutions: One, the Solar System has been transported to another part of the galaxy with a similar night sky, and it's hard to tell where we are. Two, the "correct" position of Earth is midway between Britain and Togo. Again, I haven't decided which solution to use.
It's not the worse, because... Union Sudamericana! We only to liberate the lands of Mexico and the Caribbean from the gringo oppresors and the dream of the Libertadores would be complete!
Well, you can't beat that. But I haven't seen it on this thread, so my claim still stands.
I present to you the worst map on the thread.
Worst?! It's the Best!
It makes me puke with joy!
With the exception of Hispanic none of those are ethnicities, they're racial groups, which are not the same thing; an ethnicity is a geocultural common group thats unity comes from some sort fo shared beliefs and identity while a racial group is a group of people who share biological traits with one another, additionally as the Census lumps everything from the Indus to Japan to Java together as Asian that category really holds no meaning other than 'these people came from the Eastern half of the Eurasian continent', which is an area home to more than half the Human race, multitudes of different religions, languagesl cultures and histories.
Witch0Winter
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Do you think we could get a key so we could know what the percentages are by county?
Chicxulub
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I'm adding that to the revised map that I'm working, and a state map.Do you think we could get a key so we could know what the percentages are by county?
A very good map! Though I do have two quibbles.
1. New Scandinavia is a bit weird. Barring first and _maybe_ second generation Americans whose relatives hail from Scandinavia/Germany, you're not going to find many people in that region whose identity as Scandinavian transcends their identities as Americans or North/South Dakotans. This is exacerbated by the fact that they look enough like the majority of the rest of the country's population (read: white) to fit in without too much trouble. Something more along the lines of the Republic of Dakota would make more sense IMO.
2. I feel like this is a consistent theme on this board. Where exactly is this group of communists, large enough to support something resembling a state, hiding in the US? A rather nasty fellow named McCarthy tried searching for them once and it didn't exactly go well for a lot of innocent people.
Mhm, what is it? Something like 1984?
(I am personaly not sure about these Afghan borders, because of mountains... parts of land maybe should better belong to Roman empire/Eurasia/The Red One?)
Gonna have to agree with number 2 here. I mean, manny Americans say that we Californians are commies, but a) That's not true, and b) Although I hate to admit it, if we were commies, we'd be far more inclined towards 'koombaya' communism than 'you have not to lose but your chains' communism.
Isaac Beach
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Well... aha, that's actually rather more in depth than my POD. The postulating on the Eastern Germans are correct, though the Northern Germans being jumbled with those in Central Europe and Italy is more laziness on my part than anything. Also I should probably have better annotated that the Greeks are paired under the same tag as Latin, which is my bad. I've made a pretty raw habit of pairing the two together. For instance, the situation in Greece in the map is actually a sort of Israel-Palestine situation where the Greeks have forcibly resettled there after being driven off a century or so ago, shafting the present Germans in the process. I'll fix that, it's my first attempt at an ethnic map so the screw up with the Germans and Greeks is on me and my naivety in regards to this sort of map.
You're most certainly in the ballpark, that it's a Roman POD. However you're looking a touch too far ahead, though with similar results; a little being 300 odd years. Teutoburg Forest, the Battle of, in fact. I'm sketching the details a bit but basically Publius isn't an idiot and actually sends advance scouting parties ahead of the main army, who see the Germanic horde and withdraw to open ground where he can fight a battle in his favour. Arminius' tribal confederation is defeated, and marks a precedent where the Germans are either driven from Germania or forcibly Latinised. This has huge ramifications on the outlook of the Roman Empire, one that is rather more north and western facing than east. At it's height, in this timeline Rome is pushing into Jutland when they do begin to feel the real weight of migrations around 400 AD. But with a greater Roman presence in Central Europe the Germans are forced south on a Byzantium and Balkans that was never as important as OTL, destroying the Roman culture there and evicting the few Greeks à la Jerusalem to the West. This leaves a vacuum that the Slavs fill, which is further pushed by an unexpected second wave of migrations from the Turcs, making Europe a very cramped affair ethnicity wise.
However, it does mean that more of Rome survives, specifically in the Hispanian city of Tarraco which manages to hide away one of several emperors that flee to various parts of the collapsing Roman Empire. Though due to the nature of the migrations funneling mostly south and north -you'll notice the Germanic Iceland still being a thing- this Imperial successor is the only one to survive. Due to this, and having a technically unbroken line of Roman rule, the 'dark ages' we know don't occur as no one believes a darkness to have fallen on the world's foremost empire; just jumbled it up.
Tell me, does that sound plausible? I'm flapping so many butterflies here I'm scared I've swept reality off it's feet. Aha.
1. I was thinking more of countries like Liechtenstein, Monaco etc which seem to have actually done quite well considering that they're not on the list above. For example, considering Monaco's overpopulation and likely lack of any viable food source for most of the population, I would not be surprised at a complete collapse and reversion to pre-technological levels.
2. So from your explanation it appears that it is quite possible to have journeys between two planets as long as both have the capability to build a rocket that can reach space, even without a mass driver. If so, it's curious that of the 148 planets with space travel capability (with 57 having mass drivers) only 17 have actually sent manned expeditions to other planets.
3. The first option seems better. Otherwise people in the UK and Togo will be quick to claim that they are best because they're closer to the original.
I present to you the worst map on the thread.
It's terrible.
There are far too many countries.
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