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1.5% was a bit much. But I usually have all the governments in my scenarios use pretty natalist policies. Even Canada had some hefty, hefty tax benefits for people with five or more kids. And, uh, weren't abusing or neglecting them, I feel the need to add. 1.2% seems more reasonable to me. I think in a natalist country, 1.2% is a sensible growth, with it being higher in fundamentalist religious states or other authoritarian states.
Alright, I already said my opinions on the matter. I still feel like that's way too high (something like 0.6% would be better :p), but you can do what you like with your ISOT scenarios. Just, when I see a nation that originally had a hundred million people have 7 billion within 2 hundred years, it gets a bit implausible.
 
Alright, I already said my opinions on the matter. I still feel like that's way too high (something like 0.6% would be better :p), but you can do what you like with your ISOT scenarios. Just, when I see a nation that originally had a hundred million people have 7 billion within 2 hundred years, it gets a bit implausible.
My maps usually end up assuming like a 1% growth rate.

Sorry Mr Dok, got caught spinning in (hyper) Loops. I really liked this! Excited for the next map from you!
There's two things wrong with that first sentence...

Glad you like the map though.
 
So I have question concerning nations that are ISOTed. It appears to be assumed that when a nation is ISOTed, all infrastructure goes on the trip. My thought is if a nation has satellites in orbit, are those also ISOTed? Or are all satellites in orbit over the ISOTed nation, and just the over the ISOTed nation, go with?
 
i think it is usually all satalites belonging to that nation come alone regardless of there orbit. But it is up to the ASB (map-maker) Do decide for sure.
 
Early 1900s Tallest Skil
Sorry, you’re going to need a real argument. Not all things are possible, and no amount of wishful thinking can change that.
They're still working out the kinks.
It’s unworkable. The idea is the problem.
there is not established transportation network so there is more empty long distances to build them
It’s not about the distance or availability of land. The idea behind the tech itself doesn’t work. It’s a death trap. To work out even the simplest problems you’d have to bury every inch of the track.
 
Washington State ISOTed to a virgin earth. Definitely ASB, but it was made more for fun than anything else. Population growth is a bit wonky, as is tech growth. C.A.U. is the Central American Union.

Standard color - State
Dark color - Territory
Light color - Soon to be state

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*Most of the world and states have low populations and are pretty sparsely populated.
*Most populated is, of course, the Cascade Republic, with a high standard of living. The Cascade Republic follows a brand of "Scandinavian Socialist" as proclaimed by Bernie Sanders. Anyone who doesn't like it can leave to the authoritarian US or libertarian FAS or stick with it.
*Theodemocracy is a new-old governing system based on Joseph Smith's theoretical system. Seems to work out surprising well for both the Mormon Republic of Deseret and the Catholic Kingdom of Mexico. Granted, they both seem to hate each other for... Shall we say, religious differences. Both are happy that the Cascade Republic prevents them from having to share their border with a heathen nation. (They both seem to forget about the large Protestant population in the Cascade Republic.)
*Free American States hold that the best government is a small one. A Night Watchman State that allows the market to control ever other aspect of live. Not quite to the point of Bioshock's Rapture, but it definitely is headed that direction.

Sorry if the write up is short, I've had a long day and writing long write ups is not something I want to do when tired. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask. If you have any critic or criticism I would like to know. I want to be able to make better maps and I can't do that without it.

Great map!
I almost thought it was a Washington *City* ISOT. Would've still been cool either way.
 
Sorry, you’re going to need a real argument. Not all things are possible, and no amount of wishful thinking can change that.

It’s unworkable. The idea is the problem.

It’s not about the distance or availability of land. The idea behind the tech itself doesn’t work. It’s a death trap. To work out even the simplest problems you’d have to bury every inch of the track.
Which parts can't work? You mentioned that any a**hole could just walk up and shoot a hole in it but the design is for a low pressure environment, Not a vacuum, it can handle a few holes. And if you look at human progress and technology, it's a serious one of these graphs140106006.jpg so the kinks can almost certainly be worked out.

And realistickness aside Hyper-loops fit quite well with the "rule of cool".
 

CannedTech

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Sorry, you’re going to need a real argument. Not all things are possible, and no amount of wishful thinking can change that.

It’s unworkable. The idea is the problem.

It’s not about the distance or availability of land. The idea behind the tech itself doesn’t work. It’s a death trap. To work out even the simplest problems you’d have to bury every inch of the track.

On this type of logic, you might as well protest against every map that has stuff like space elevators and FTL travel (both of which HLs are more plausible than already).

Why this single dislike of Hyper-Loops if those two technologies are more prevalent in maps?
 
I'll side with CannedTech on this one. This whole Hyperloop argument seems a but silly, actually. Even if the Hyperloop concept is unfeasible, it's perfectly reasonable to put it in a sci-fi scenario.
 
The Brazilian Empire!
Império do Brasil!

I decided to throw together this map due to the Olympics' current location. I am considering doing a map similar for Argentina, Colombia, Peru, and even some other ones!

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Peru should obviously be a Neo-Inka State after a native revolt in the mid 1800s.
 
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In 2016, Every country was given their own Earth, presumably by a hyper-advanced alien race. All UN member nations, minus Vatican City but including Taiwan, Kosovo, North Cyprus, Palestine, West Sahara, and South Ossetia, were given Earths occupying the same orbit between Venus and Mars, 1 AU away from the Sun. As anyone familiar with orbital mechanics can tell you, this arrangement, termed a Klemperer Rosette, should be unstable; computer simulations indicate that the orbits should have collapsed after less than five years, but somehow the Earths stay neatly arranged in a circle.

Most countries were able to get their economies more or less working within a decade. Japan, Saudi Arabia, South Korea, and some other unfortunate countries collapsed and reformed due to food shortages, as these countries did not grow enough of their own food. The shock of famine caused birth rates in most of these countries to rebound once stability had been reestablished; for example, Japan has 700 million people, of whom 60 million live on the Home Islands.

Radio contact with other planets turned out to be fairly easy; most planets have several dedicated interplanetary communications stations on mountains and in desert areas, while hobbyists can build their own less-sophisticated arrays at home. Light-speed delay is 31 seconds between adjacent worlds (15.6 seconds each way), so internet isn't really possible, but a networked query-answer system allows for the transfer of messages and information, which is one of the few goods tradable between planets.

The USA was the first country to build a moon base in 2029, three years ahead of the Chinese and their moon ("Two!" some Chinese will argue, since they took place in December and January). Curiously, only the US's moon had the famous flag on it, so the red flag now flies on China's moon, now named Yue. Since then, 39 other nations have built moon bases, the most recent being Singapore. Generally, these bases include electromagnetic mass drivers.

Lunar mass drivers are the primary launch points of spaceships and cargo. High tech items like nanomachines, germline cultures, and true AI are almost the only physical things that are traded between planets, since they cram a lot of value into a small mass. Since mass drivers can also be used as kinetic bombardment weapons, the more advanced nations get suspicious when less advanced countries insist on building mass drivers for "trade." Several planets too underdeveloped to build their own mass drivers have drivers built and operated for them by other countries; the country operating drivers on the most moons is, of course, Bharat.

Human travel between planets is doable but rare. In 2050, the first interplanetary voyage was undertaken as a crew of Chinese astronauts were launched from Yue to the Philippines (as the world was still called, then); this was a one-way mission, but they lived as celebrities on their new world until they were able to be returned in 2083. The USA followed suit with a mission to Peru in 2051, and the Indians thereafter with a mission to Sri Lanka in 2062. 14 others have thus far completed manned missions to other planets, the most recent being Kenya in 2134. In recent years, true spaceships with the ability to travel between Earths' orbits under their own power have become usable to private enterprises, and the first space colonies have gone up starting in the 2090s. The successor to the United Nations, the United Planets, is located on a large space colony orbiting Bharat.

A side-effect of the Earths appearing is the uptick in asteroid impacts. Having 200 times the mass in a single orbit and 200 times the area to for an object to hit adds up to extinction-level events expected to happen once every century or so. So far, there have been two such strikes: One struck Bhutan in 2082 and destroyed much of South America's ecosystems, while the other struck Qatar in 2095 and kicked up a tsunami that wiped out many settlements. Other than that, though, the two planets seem to be doing okay. Potential asteroid impacts are tracked much more closely now; the only upcoming impact expected is one which is believed to be 40% likely to strike Bhutan (again!) in 2235.
 
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In 2016, Every country was given their own Earth, presumably by a hyper-advanced alien race. All UN member nations, minus Vatican City but including Taiwan, Kosovo, North Cyprus, Palestine, West Sahara, and South Ossetia, were given Earths occupying the same orbit between Venus and Mars, 1 AU away from the Sun. As anyone familiar with orbital mechanics can tell you, this arrangement, termed a Klemperer Rosette, should be unstable; computer simulations indicate that the orbits should have collapsed after less than five years, but somehow the Earths stay neatly arranged in a circle.

Impressive set up, war between planets would be so impractical for so long that it should only be done for serious reasons.

Anyway, my one nitpick is with the Philippines, how the bloody hell did they manage to outbreed the US, Brazil, Japan, Bangladesh, Mexico, and probably countless other worlds?

That's a population boom so strong it increased their population by an entire order of magnitude, even at 1.2% growth rate it would hit barely half that, did they force their population at gun point to have children? With such a huge population boom, the government should have collapsed under its own weight, as maintaining nearly 10 billion humans in line is no easy feat.
 

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I do have a couple of problems with this post, @Tsochar. The obscene population growth. The fact that, with the exception of Japan and a few others, there is (Seemingly) only one state on most of these seems unrealistic to me, unless you're arguing that they're the only major states on their respective worlds. That said, this is still the obscenely coolest idea I've seen in a while.
 
Anyway, my one nitpick is with the Philippines, how the bloody hell did they manage to outbreed the US, Brazil, Japan, Bangladesh, Mexico, and probably countless other worlds?

The Philippines IOTL has a population of 103 million (12th most populous country), has a population growth rate of 1.7% currently and has been a fast growing country for a long time now, I mean in the last 20 years alone (since 1995) the population has grown by 35 million people.


as maintaining nearly 10 billion humans in line is no easy feat.

It does not say 10 billion, the map shows the Phillipine planet as having a population of 968 million, just shy of 1 billion.
 
The Philippines IOTL has a population of 103 million (12th most populous country), has a population growth rate of 1.7% currently and has been a fast growing country for a long time now, I mean in the last 20 years alone (since 1995) the population has grown by 35 million people.




It does not say 10 billion, the map shows the Phillipine planet as having a population of 968 million, just shy of 1 billion.

Sorry meant a billion, but either way that's still a lot of people to order around, like Jcw3 said its weird that most of the planets are unitary single-governments.

If dropped off on a virgin world, I would expect even the most stable of states to have a few breakaways and rebels. Especially so with states that cover several ethnic groups, since those minorities are likely to try and leave if mistreated enough.
 
Sorry meant a billion, but either way that's still a lot of people to order around, like Jcw3 said its weird that most of the planets are unitary single-governments.

If dropped off on a virgin world, I would expect even the most stable of states to have a few breakaways and rebels. Especially so with states that cover several ethnic groups, since those minorities are likely to try and leave if mistreated enough.

I can see it happening in the Philippines case since it has a history of brute force governments (even now, the democratically elected leader wants to form killing squads and execute people for petty crimes) and would be easy to retain control of colonial territories do to being the most powerful polity.
 
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