Map Thread XIV

[Stuyvesant]

The map for my new Dieselpunk Universe: The Greatest Invention.

A lot of inspiration comes from Archangel Michael's From the New World, with a fair deal of Crimson Skies thrown in. [Think of it like a 1900-version of CS]

Countries in order of appearance on key

South America

Republic of Cartagena
Republic of Venezuela
Republic of Colombia
Republic of Ecuador
Free Republics of the Guianas
Republic of Amazonia
[North] Peru
Neo-Incan Empire
Acre Free State (Libertalia)
Kingdom of Charcas
Cerrado Republic
Equatorial Federation
Empire of Brazil

Central America

Puente Largo
United Fruit Co.
Miskito Empire
Republic of Honduras
Republica del Salvador
Mayan State
Republic of Mexico (Native-run)
Empire of Mexico (Jalisco)
Kingdom of the Rio Grande
Sonoran Republic
Republic of Tejas
Nuevo Mexico
Las Californias
Kingdom of Spain (Cuba)
Kingdom of Antillea


North America

Kingdom of Louisiana
Republic of Georgia
Carolina Federation
Chesapeake Commonwealth
Republic of Trans-Appalachia
Gichigami Confederation
Atlantic Republic
Kingdom of Missouri (House of Burr)
Commonwealth of Columbia
Tsardom of Alaska
Metis Confederacy
Republic of Canada
Maritime Republic
Newfoundland

 

[Aquagel8last320]

Can I ask would there be that much desert? It seems that a world like that would be much more tropical/forested than what is shown.

i actually was concerned with there being not enough desert. i do say that when i was making biomes, i stretched it's not-tree-ness a bit. but plains=/=desert, despite looks.

guide:
also to note, this is sort of simplifying, and you cannot tell if it looks more like the sahel, wild west, outback, or something else.

 

[Mumby]

I've been following a HOI4 Lets Play on Youtube, featuring Communist Canada. This is the state of play before the start of WWIII in January 1947. WWII ended in the autumn of 1946. The Allies are firmly led by Britain, with a few notable hangers on. The Kingdom of Yugoslavia is pretty important, and the Republic of China helped out considerably in the anti-fascist struggle. The Comintern is more divided, led by the stretched but strident Canada Popular State, followed by the struggling USSR. For much of the war, the USSR languished under German occupation and has barely recovered. They are eager to reclaim their position. The third wheel of the Comintern is the French Commune, very much regarded as Canada's sidekick.

 

[wtw]

i actually was concerned with there being not enough desert. i do say that when i was making biomes, i stretched it's not-tree-ness a bit. but plains=/=desert, despite looks.

guide: View attachment 278974
also to note, this is sort of simplifying, and you cannot tell if it looks more like the sahel, wild west, outback, or something else.

Thank you, it still seems a bit much, at least a Medditeranean or dry scrub might be more realistic

 

[Aquagel8last320]

Thank you, it still seems a bit much, at least a Medditeranean or dry scrub might be more realistic

i did add some of that.

 

[theev]

I've been following a HOI4 Lets Play on Youtube, featuring Communist Canada. This is the state of play before the start of WWIII in January 1947. WWII ended in the autumn of 1946. The Allies are firmly led by Britain, with a few notable hangers on. The Kingdom of Yugoslavia is pretty important, and the Republic of China helped out considerably in the anti-fascist struggle. The Comintern is more divided, led by the stretched but strident Canada Popular State, followed by the struggling USSR. For much of the war, the USSR languished under German occupation and has barely recovered. They are eager to reclaim their position. The third wheel of the Comintern is the French Commune, very much regarded as Canada's sidekick.

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Huh, cool to see someone else following EnterElysium's series.

 

[Chicxulub]

I've been following a HOI4 Lets Play on Youtube, featuring Communist Canada. This is the state of play before the start of WWIII in January 1947. WWII ended in the autumn of 1946. The Allies are firmly led by Britain, with a few notable hangers on. The Kingdom of Yugoslavia is pretty important, and the Republic of China helped out considerably in the anti-fascist struggle. The Comintern is more divided, led by the stretched but strident Canada Popular State, followed by the struggling USSR. For much of the war, the USSR languished under German occupation and has barely recovered. They are eager to reclaim their position. The third wheel of the Comintern is the French Commune, very much regarded as Canada's sidekick.

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I always enjoy a good Canadawank.

 

[Drakon-of-China]

One-shot.

 

[Spartakusbund1]

I've been following a HOI4 Lets Play on Youtube, featuring Communist Canada. This is the state of play before the start of WWIII in January 1947. WWII ended in the autumn of 1946. The Allies are firmly led by Britain, with a few notable hangers on. The Kingdom of Yugoslavia is pretty important, and the Republic of China helped out considerably in the anti-fascist struggle. The Comintern is more divided, led by the stretched but strident Canada Popular State, followed by the struggling USSR. For much of the war, the USSR languished under German occupation and has barely recovered. They are eager to reclaim their position. The third wheel of the Comintern is the French Commune, very much regarded as Canada's sidekick.

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Shenryyr2?
Oops nevermind

One-shot.

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Commie Congo!

 

[LynnZ]

Working on a rough idea for an alternate caliphate that survives to the 19th century. The idea is a PoD stretching all the way back to Caliph Uman, who decides to devote more time and energy to attacking India rather than pulling his forces back. This leads to several different events, not the least including him being succeeded by Ali rather than Uthman. This puts various families into much higher esteem and power, including the tribe Banu Asad ibn Khuzaymah. Banu Asad ibn Khuzaymah later becomes the head of the caliphate, first leading it from the city of Kufa and then transferring to Baghdad where they lead the Caliphate today (in 1815). It's still rough, but I have the borders mostly down to what I was hoping for and am currently making the provinces. What do you all think? The city symbols I found on Beedok's thread and hopefully it's okay to use them.

 

[B_Munro]

Working on a rough idea for an alternate caliphate that survives to the 19th century. The idea is a PoD stretching all the way back to Caliph Uman, who decides to devote more time and energy to attacking India rather than pulling his forces back. This leads to several different events, not the least including him being succeeded by Ali rather than Uthman. This puts various families into much higher esteem and power, including the tribe Banu Asad ibn Khuzaymah. Banu Asad ibn Khuzaymah later becomes the head of the caliphate, first leading it from the city of Kufa and then transferring to Baghdad where they lead the Caliphate today (in 1815). It's still rough, but I have the borders mostly down to what I was hoping for and am currently making the provinces. What do you all think? The city symbols I found on Beedok's thread and hopefully it's okay to use them.

Interesting, but I have trouble seeing how the Caliphate exists uninterrupted that long. They presumably still have to deal with the Turkish migrations, and even though Genghis et al are going to be butterflied, steppe invasions - and bad ones - seem likely. I can see a Middle Eastern Caliphate in the 1800s - that's it's a more direct continuation of the Caliphate than the HRE was of the Roman one, less so.

 

[Ashtagon]

A caliphate that went east might end up butterflying the whole Turkic migration west, especially as how they wouldn't be recruiting Turkic soldiers to fight for them on their western frontier. East-oriented caliphate means no Turkey, so you might end up with a longer-lasting Byzantium. Conversely, the caliphate might end up pushing Turkic people more into OTL Russia.

 

[LynnZ]

Interesting, but I have trouble seeing how the Caliphate exists uninterrupted that long. They presumably still have to deal with the Turkish migrations, and even though Genghis et al are going to be butterflied, steppe invasions - and bad ones - seem likely. I can see a Middle Eastern Caliphate in the 1800s - that's it's a more direct continuation of the Caliphate than the HRE was of the Roman one, less so.

A caliphate that went east might end up butterflying the whole Turkic migration west, especially as how they wouldn't be recruiting Turkic soldiers to fight for them on their western frontier. East-oriented caliphate means no Turkey, so you might end up with a longer-lasting Byzantium. Conversely, the caliphate might end up pushing Turkic people more into OTL Russia.

Sorry, I should have noted that while a Caliphate has existed for very long, its borders and populations have been wildly in flux. What Ashtagon said is largely what I thought, though. This Caliphate is more eastern-focused than OTL (mostly leaving North Africa for other Muslim states) and by the end of the Rashidun caliphs aren't so gung-ho on taking on Constantinople. Consequently, the Turkish migrations are not nearly so devastating and while some do happen and are absorbed (maybe I should do an ethnicity mini-map since the Caliphate by 1812 is ethnically complicated) many Turkic peoples end up getting pushed into the northern steppes to conquer the Khazars, the Rus', and all the other areas up there. The area we know as Russia is quite Turkic in this world.

It should also be noted that Islam is a little more united due to Ali succeeding Uman rather than Uthman. While obviously not one big happy family (because what religion is?) they are able to hold together better a la various Indian empires or China rather than our world's later Muslim states. Plus it should be noted that Banu Asad ibn Khuzaymah came to power (not very long ago, either; they're relatively new caliphs) largely because they were able to better balance the parts of the Caliphate together (parts of Central Asia and Egypt were pretty independent under the previous Caliphate) and to beat off the Romans who have long since consolidated and made themselves into a very powerful, if smaller, force like under our world's Macedonian dynasty.

Sorry if that's too much explanation. ^^;

 

[B_Munro]

A caliphate that went east might end up butterflying the whole Turkic migration west, especially as how they wouldn't be recruiting Turkic soldiers to fight for them on their western frontier. East-oriented caliphate means no Turkey, so you might end up with a longer-lasting Byzantium. Conversely, the caliphate might end up pushing Turkic people more into OTL Russia.

I understood the scenario as suggesting more energy put into India, not the Steppe. Why wouldn't they be recruiting Turkish soldiers to fight in India?

Might get a still Christian North Africa, though.

Edit: oops, Ninja'd.

Still a little unclear why this:

the Rashidun caliphs aren't so gung-ho on taking on Constantinople.

leads to this

Consequently, the Turkish migrations are not nearly so devastating

 

[LynnZ]

I understood the scenario as suggesting more energy put into India, not the Steppe. Why wouldn't they be recruiting Turkish soldiers?

Might get a still Christian North Africa, though.

While they put more energy into India under Umar and even Ali, they do largely bring at least the southern areas of the steppe under their control and have significant contact with the Turks there, including recruiting them as need be. They are better able, then, to absorb the Turks as they absorbed the Persians who try to migrate, and repel those who want to make war and send them out to the Khazars and the Rus'.

Also, North Africa is in the hands of smaller Muslim kingdoms on the one hand, but on the other there are larger Christian presences there; sort of like the Christian presence in Egypt in our world.

 

[B_Munro]

Ah, so they do expand to the north further as well? OK, although I am not sure how well adapted the Muslim state was to maintain control over the steppe proper rather than the more urbanized areas along the central Asian rivers (which they took OTL, IIRC)

 

[LynnZ]

Ah, so they do expand to the north further as well? OK, although I am not sure how well adapted the Muslim state was to maintain control over the steppe proper rather than the more urbanized areas along the central Asian rivers (which they took OTL, IIRC)

I was thinking something like cultural and political influence to the north in the "true" steppe while the southern areas that are part of today's Caliphate are swallowed up, like the Khwarezm area. And yes, they do take the urbanized areas on the central Asian rivers, which I was thinking in this world are eventually settled quite heavily by Turks.

 

[Spartakusbund1]

Working on a rough idea for an alternate caliphate that survives to the 19th century. The idea is a PoD stretching all the way back to Caliph Uman, who decides to devote more time and energy to attacking India rather than pulling his forces back. This leads to several different events, not the least including him being succeeded by Ali rather than Uthman. This puts various families into much higher esteem and power, including the tribe Banu Asad ibn Khuzaymah. Banu Asad ibn Khuzaymah later becomes the head of the caliphate, first leading it from the city of Kufa and then transferring to Baghdad where they lead the Caliphate today (in 1815). It's still rough, but I have the borders mostly down to what I was hoping for and am currently making the provinces. What do you all think? The city symbols I found on Beedok's thread and hopefully it's okay to use them.

So how's Abyssinia? I mean, they are tucked away between the Caliphate and the Sultanate of Ad*

 

[Serafim]

Notes by Drakon-of-China
Map by Serafim

The map inspired by Russian-language sci-fi dystopian AH novel 'The Greatest Dictator' (2010). Great story about world wars, spy games, forbidden love, political intrigues, and most of all - everyday life of ordinary citizens under various oppressive regimes. It was praised by critics and readers alike as, I quote: '1984' of our generation'. Really good book, I hope one day we'll see it translated in other world languages.

Any way here we go:


Main POD - Nicholas II of Russia died during Great War I. New Russian Emperor signed separate peace with Central Powers and became the most loyal puppet of Germany. The Central Powers quickly sent all the troops to the Western Front and defeated Allies before American intervention. The war is over. Germany, Austro-Hungary and Ottomans are big winners.

British Empire, France, Italy are losers and now they all suffer from Weimar syndrome. Oswald Mosley take power in Great Britain, Mussolini (again) in Italy. In 1933 new President take power in France - one Charles Edouard Jeanneret-Gris.

Jeanneret restore France to the former glory, defeat Germany and Russia (with little help from Fascist Britain and Italy) et cetera. Five minutes after the victory Cold War between France and UK errupted.

The way things are in 1963:

Most important states and territories:
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British Empire:

Current Leader - Prime Minister and Lord Protector for Life Sir Oswald Mosley.
Second-in-Command and designated successor - Lady Margaret Thatcher.
King of the United Kingdom and the British Dominions, Emperor of India - Edward VIII
State ideology - British Fascism.

Military power Number 2, economical Number 3.
Sun never sets.
New Great Indian Rebellion supressed with atomic bombs.
Protector of Lisbon Treaty Alliance.
In Cold War with French-led Social Avantgardist Union.

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French Republic:

Current leader - President Charles Edouard Jeanneret-Gris.
State ideology - Social Avantgardism.

Totalitarian socialist technocratic dictatorship.
French-led Social Avantgardist Union - highly integrated confederacy, military and economical power Number One, undisputed hegemon of Eurasia.
In Cold War with British Empire.
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United States:

Economical power number 2, military power number 5 or 6.
Capitalist, liberal, more or less democratic, Civil Rights movements (nothing new here).
Neutral and isolationist most of the time (well, that's something new).
Not participated in both World Wars.
In secret alliance with British Empire - "Oswald Mosley may be a son of a b*tch, but he's our son of a b*tch."
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Italian Empire:

Current Leader - Prime Minister and Il Duce Benito Mussolini.
King of Italy, Emperor of Rome, Emperor of Abyssinia, King of Albania - Umberto II.
State ideology - Italian Fascism.

Theoretically - one of the Great Powers. Large army, vast empire. Practically on the edge of collapse and partition. Mussolini is old, weak, drunk, high and sick. Corruption, incompetence at all levels of the government, low moral of the armed forces.
Second Ethiopian War of 1959 was one big disaster and hardly won only with help from Fascist Israel.
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Fascist Republic of Germany (North Germany):

Ex-British occupation zone.
British puppet.
State ideology - British Fascism, slightly adapted version.
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South Germany - annexed to the France. German population deported and dispersed all over Eurasia.
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Empire of Japan.

The usual stuff - samurai, banzai, kempeitai and kamikaze but much smaller and humbler.
Ex-British ally. Today in alliance with France.
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Russian Republic (South Russia)
President - Alexis Gubarev.
State ideology - Social Avantgardism

Most loyal ally of France.
Power number 2 in the Social Avantgardist Union.
Totalitarian socialict technocratic dictatorship (much like France).
Enemy number 1 of North Russia.
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Novgorod Republic (North Russia)

State Ideology - Slavophilia and Pochvennichestvo.
British puppet.
Enemy number 1 of South Russia.
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Fascist State of Israel:

Joint creation of Mosley and Mussolini.
Right-wing theocratic dictatorship.
Miltary power number 1 in the Middle East (nothing new here).
Conquered ex-German Djibouti for the better access to the Ethiopian Jews.
Enemy mumber 1 of pro-French Jewish Republic.
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Jewish Republic.

Creation of Charles Jeanneret.
Asylum for European Jews.
Socialist dictatorship, highly secular.
Enemy number 1 of the Middle-Eastern Israel.
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Turkish Empire:

State ideology - Pan-Turkism.
Very sick man of Europe but still alive.
Practically British puppet. Protector of lesser Caucasian states.

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Qinghai-Sichuan Commune:

The only one communist state on Earth.
More or less Maoist.
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Warlordship of New Hubei:

Ex-pirate ex-Mahdist state.
Destroyed and depopulated by international military task force. Today resettled by Chinese.
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New Hessen, South Prussia, Wilhelmsland, Goldkuste:

Ex-German colonies.
Declared independence after Great War II.
Mostly apartheid states with German ruling elites, including refugees from Fascist Germany and French-occupied South Germany.
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Spanish Republic:

Most fanatical and radical member of Social Avantgardist Union.
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[TheBatman]

I've been following a HOI4 Lets Play on Youtube, featuring Communist Canada...

I see I've found a fellow Enter Elysium Fan