Because the only way to dislodge Russia is through excessive force (never tried) or nationwide civil unrest (proven successful twice).
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Because the only way to dislodge Russia is through excessive force (never tried) or nationwide civil unrest (proven successful twice).
No incubating Neo-Vietnam? There are ~10 times as many Vietnamese as Japanese in France. Though admittedly they tend to be quite integrated, one could at least imagine a Nouveau Saïgon in Paris's orbit if the Japanese have a foot in the home islands.
The Japanese were mostly tourists. The Vietnamese are diaspora (and a very well integrated, urban one at that), and there's malaria in this Vietnam. If there were a million+ you'd see some significant colonisation efforts probably, but being so far away there's only a smattering of homesteaders.
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The English War, you say?
Also, what's the history of the Caliphate?
Also, what's the history of the Caliphate?
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Upvoteanthology
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Then why would there be a USA? You've added a new USA in a lot of your worlds so far, it'd be nice to at least see a colony there with a different name. :/
Upvoteanthology
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Yeah, but there are the same amount of Vietnamese as there are Americans (both about 100,000). There's no reason for the Americans to be a unified entity while the Vietnamese had a diaspora. Even in previous worlds, there aren't really enough "Americans" for them to go back and form their own country. There's a reason they don't actually live in America, because they don't want to live there. If I was an American who moved to France, I'd have no reason to reform my home country when I have the option to live in an urbanized country. Plus, what incentive would I have to move back, if I left the USA in the first place? Even tourists probably wouldn't make the effort to reform their homeland, they'd probably move to the English country Beedok also referenced in F-World.
EDIT: Apparently, the Vietnamese population in France isn't 100,000, it's 350,000.
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Dang, nice, first guess. But yeah, you're right. I'm not all that into Salad Fingers, it's a bit... peculiar for my tastes. I just thought the circumstances surrounding it were interesting, with the Great War and all. A full write up is gonna come when I post it.
Though now I'm questioning all of my life choices because I'm making a map for SALAD FINGERS. Oh well.
Aha! wow that's nostalgic, it's been so long sense I've watched Salad Fingers, one of the first things I saw when I stated using the internet actually.
I am very interested to see how this world turns out. North Korea, Isreal and Cuba all have rather hostile relations with their neighbors and probably won't miss them. Canada, being a food exporter will probably do good short term and long term, although they don't have much excess population to colonize with. Germany and Switzerland will have a tough time because while I thing that Germany could probably keep itself fed with some heavy rationing Switzerland is most definitely an importer. Also for the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic, will you include the claimed area or just the region that they actually control in the ISOT?
Jcw3
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All unrecognized states get the territory that they actually control, and are placed in different worlds than their origin nations. I'm working on a world with Northern Cyprus at the moment, even though it already appeared on the world with the rest of Cyprus. (Would have been the one with Kenya, Greece, Iceland, and Mozambique.)
Jcw3
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states
https://www.random.org/lists/
This list, then I run them through the random.org list randomizer. I remove dupes (like no Israel and Palestine on the same world, or Morocco and Sahrawi, or Niue and New Zealand), then I prepare the updates.
Nice, I am working on ISOTs areas from http://www.mherrera.org/newcountries.htm.
Jcw3
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World 11’s I.S.O.T.’s were Kosovo, Northern Cyprus, Georgia, Guinea-Bissau, Benin, Sao Tome and Principe, Tanzania, the United Arab Emirates, Indonesia, and the Federated States of Micronesia. Can you say Indonesia-wank?
Americas
*No nations were I.S.O.T.ed to either continents.
*The West Coast Coalition exists in California, as an alliance of Indonesian minorities and political dissidents who, thanks to some miracle, have managed to keep a coherent, independent, democratic state together.
*Indonesia has settled Panama, Puerto Rico, parts of the Bahamas, and Bermuda to keep a midpoint between its Atlantic interests and Pacific core. They’re also exploiting the oil reserves around Lake Maracaibo and the Gulf Coast. The settlements on Tierra del Fuego were an...inspired idea, and one Jakarta is sort of regretting.
*They’re also sponsoring a small settler republic (Nikaragua) to expand and colonize Central America for them, so that they don’t have to spend too many resources themselves on it. Nikaragua will be annexed into Indonesia like many before it.
*Several Bissau-Guinean tribes set up a few villages on the Brazilian coast, and so far, are largely unbothered by the rest of the world.
*Indonesia ostensibly claims both American continents, but they’re willing to make allowances, as the W.C.C. and the various other states would show.
Europe/Middle East
*Indonesia has settled the Strait of Gibraltar, the Netherlands (a spiteful vanity move by some Indonesian nationalists), and the Bosphorus.
*They have friendly relations with Kosovo and the Caucasian Union, and have turned Cyprus into a client state, as well as the Kosovo-spawned statelet of Serbia, the latter of which they will likely annex soon.
*Kosovo’s happy to be recognized by the rest of the world.
*Aside from their recognition, they haven’t done much. They’ve settled enough to keep their bellies full, set up enough oil drills to keep their energy needs in order, and as of now, have largely stopped their government-sponsored colonization. They’re getting into an alternative energy kick at the moment, and are working on transferring to solar and wind.
*Northern Cyprus quickly changed its name to plain old Cyprus, and settled the rest of the island, as well as Turkey. Their progress is slowed not by a lack of desire, but by a lack population.
*Indonesian workers seemed like they would solve that problem, but really, all they wound up doing was dragging Cyprus into the Indonesian orbit.
*Georgia had a rather violent initial post-I.S.O.T. period. The lack of food and the conflicts in Abkhazia and South Ossetia made the Caucasian nation’s life rather complicated for a while.
*Eventually, without Russian support, the unrecognized states were crushed by the Georgian military, and fishing eventually gave Georgia a wide enough berth to expand its enterprises.
*As a sop to its minorities, Georgia declared itself the Caucasian Union, and even set up ‘indigenous autonomous republics’ for Abkhazia, Armenia, and Azerbaijan. South Ossetia was a bit messy, and the phrase ethnic cleansing could be used for what happened there, so no ‘indigenous autonomous republic’ for them.
*The C.U. and Kosovo are increasingly falling under Indonesian influence, as trading from the rebuilt Suez begins to expose them to more and more of said influence.
*The United Arab Emirates collapsed almost immediately post-I.S.O.T. A state for the wealthy reliant on foreign food imports, and filled with tourists and foreign workers, it fell apart rather messily.
*Eventually, the coastal portions of the nation, built around de-facto mercenaries and surviving plutocrats, managed to retake the country, but not after the starvation of several hundred thousand people, and death of thrice that through conflict and disease.
*Indonesian occupation was essentially welcomed after that, and the U.A.E. became equivalent to just another settler republic in Jakarta’s eyes. It’s still independent today, so there’s that, at least.
*Emirian settlers have formed the brunt of Indonesia’s efforts in the Persian Gulf, and exploiting the delicious resources in the area.
*Several minorities have formed statelets in southern Arabia, and have managed to escape Jakarta’s greedy eyes thus far.
*Mecca has been rebuilt, and Jakarta is doing its best to keep the place from being overwhelmed by fundamentalist nutters. It’s content to let those people rot in the Philippines or Korea or some other dumping ground.
*The Suez and Mesopotamia are notable Indonesian targets for direct colonization.
Africa
*Guinea-Bissau had a pretty unlucky experience post-I.S.O.T. A net food importer and poor, government authority was lost in most of the country. Eventually, the remnants of the Bissau-Guinean government, having nearly descended into warlordism, reunited the country several decades after the fact.
*The ensuing junta eventually faded into a decentralized alliance of local tribes and warlord states, which eventually federalized as the years went by.
*Said federalization led to a split between Guinea-Bissau and many tribals, who fled into the interior of West Africa to establish their own states. Bissau effectively shrugged and went along its way. When it met up with Indonesian sailors, it willingly went under Indonesian influence to improve its economy and ability to influence the world.
*Benin had a much better post-I.S.O.T. transition. After the dark times, the Beninese government worked to expand into the rest of West Africa, making sure it had sufficient farmland set up to feed its growing population, and continued doing so afterwards, as a means of controlling its populace.
*Unfortunately, it didn’t really work to control its population. Several dozen tribal groups and political minorities fled into the wilds to form their own states. In the modern day, Benin’s united them into a West African Union, and generally has a handle on them, but that’s only been the case recently.
*Benin and Indonesia have a cordial relationship, but as Porto-Novo is fearful of falling under Jakarta’s thumb, they’re keeping the superpower at arms length. Jakarta has better things to care about than relations with Benin, so they’ve effectively shrugged and moved on.
*Sao Tome and Principe fed its citizens the same way most small island states did. Conscription of its citizens into a fishing fleet, and then expanding into nearby islands or the mainland to build farms for more permanent food sources. Very close to Benin, a member of the West African Union, and settling along the Ogooue River.
*Due to Santomean proximity to Benin, they’ve yet to be subsumed by Indonesia, but that’s always on the horizon.
*Tanzania is the most successful of Africa’s states. It had a bit of trouble feeding its population at first, but eventually recovered, and maintained its democratic government to boot.
*With sixty million people in the country, it was able to expand throughout East Africa, and in a fit of hubris, has changed its name to the East African Union.
*The E.A.U. claims most of Africa, a claim that Indonesia is happy to support in exchange for a close alliance with the nation. This hasn’t helped Jakarta’s relations with the West African Union, but Guinea-Bissau is finding it hard to care.
*East Africa’s brought most of its separatists back into its fold, and is working on creating a more stable, united Africa, to follow Indonesia’s example of many cultures divided yet still under one organized monoculture.
*They’re not as focused on that as the World-7 E.A.U., however. It’s just a means of getting the population out to settle land and gather resources for the nation.
*The E.A.U. is working on connecting their settlements on the Cape of Good Hope to the metropole proper, as well as integrating their former penal colonies on Madagascar back into the fold.
*Indonesia has limited settlement in the African Horn and along the Red Sea, thanks to their territories in Mecca. The E.A.U. is pointedly turning a blind eye to avoid offending the world hegemon.
Asia/Oceania
*Indonesia stronk!
*Indonesia also lost a few million during the initial few years of the I.S.O.T., and the nation was rather hectic as a whole for quite a bit of time.
*But the mass fishing, while it created quite high rates of malnutrition, managed to be an effective stopgap while they hurried to build farms.
*Once they had enough food to feed themselves, and their stability was reassured, and the guys who were proclaiming that Allah wanted them to repent or die had all shut up, the only place Indonesia could go was up.
*And so it did. Nowadays, Indonesia’s a mostly secular democracy, with quite a bit of room for cultural autonomy zones, as long as its member states follow certain guidelines, and use Indonesian as their language for communicating with the rest of the nation.
*Australia was an odd choice on Indonesia’s part, and an inefficient one at that. But it was the primary focus of Indonesia’s settlement, and only in the past fifty years has colonization slowed down due to the comparative lack of value in the outback.
*Settlement of mainland Asia, in particular interior China and India, is the new popular thing.
*There are also the various independent states, spawned by disaffected Indonesian minorities. The Sunda Republic, founded in what we would call Shandong, is the most successful, with over thirty million people. It also has a close friendship with Jakarta, but by its own choice, a loose one.
*If you can think of an Indonesian minority with over fifty thousand people, it probably has or used to have a statelet of its own. It would take too long to go over the full list, but suffice it to say, Indonesia has no shortage of descended statelets.
*Indonesia has largely left the Philippines, Korea and parts of Japan for settling by disaffected groups, so that they won’t negatively affect the nation as a whole. New Zealand, on the other hand, is their equivalent of a penal colony.
*Oh, and the Federated States of Micronesia was annexed the decade after formal relations were reestablished. Some cultural remnants still exist, but at this point, it’s just the centerpiece of Indonesia’s Pacific territories.
World
*Tech is roughly in the 2020s. Indonesia and the E.A.U. haven’t really done much research into technological development, and are still largely using fossil fuels. Space travel is a pipe dream.
*Indonesia aims to have the entire world aligned with it or under its boot within another two hundred years, and that seems very likely to happen.
World-12 will contain Saint Lucia, Antigua and Barbuda, Jordan, Cook Islands, Mauritius, Russia, Guatemala, Panama, Zimbabwe, and Sri Lanka.
Wouldn't that be like 1600 ad? I'm just thinking so by the Sikhs and the Protestants on the map.Interesting- I can't seem to figure out what the state in Burma is though
For some non-ISOT related maps, here's one I made a while ago for the greatest map game ever produced;
Historiae Mutetur- where each turn comes earlier in time than the one before it (after it?_) https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/silent-reverse-mapgame-historiae-mutetur.298392/
CP Victory, but the Kaiserreich is struggling to hold on to its lands and even protect itself at home. While the colonial empires of the Entente are totally being torn asunder by nationalists. France seems to have a little fascism problem, or is that the Vichy colour to send the message of a collabor-state or a possible demilitarized zone? The Russian Civil War is chugging along, though the Kaiserreich will strangle Большевики in the cradle. USA joined the Entente? Or are they just fighting Большевики for no reason? And how did the Germans hold onto Afrika? And are those like anarchists in Great Britain?
WIP of wonder. Hint: I like rusty spoons.
Pssssst. Why is Mongolia already under Bol'shevik-control?
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