Map Thread XIV

[Goldstein]

Cornwall and Wales both voted leave though. Quite strongly so in fact.

Yeah, and they're going to be among the most negatively affected by Brexit. In the worst case scenario (which this is), also the junior partners of a crumbling state with a crumbling currency. So...

EDIT: Map year is 2030.

 

[Beedok]

I think Clandango thinks St. Pierre and Miquellon became part of Canada-in-Britain, because they replaced territory that Britain owned pre-swap; but actually they just swapped locations with the Channel Isles, with no change in ownership (right?)

Basically, yes. They're just now French territories closer to France, while the Channel Islands' population are off in the Gulf of the St. Lawrence.

 

[Alex Richards]

Yeah, and they're going to be among the most negatively affected by Brexit. In the worst case scenario (which this is), also the junior partners of a crumbling state with a crumbling currency. So...

EDIT: Map year is 2030.

Wales was more Eurosceptic than the south of England- even if they voted for independence they're not going to rejoin the union any time soon. It makes more sense to have a divided UK entirely part of the EU as piecemeal rejoiners than just having Wales rejoin.

And Cornish national identity is virtually non-existent.

EDIT: Also by that argument South Yorkshire, Tyneside and most of the North of England should have voted to leave the UK and rejoin the EU as well.

 

[Goldstein]

Wales was more Eurosceptic than the south of England- even if they voted for independence they're not going to rejoin the union any time soon. It makes more sense to have a divided UK entirely part of the EU as piecemeal rejoiners than just having Wales rejoin.

Wasn't Welsh upsurge of euroskepticism a very recent and fairly even thing? Papers seem to indicate so, so we're discussing a present and very volatile situation, with the prospects of becoming even more volatile. If Ireland unites and Scotland goes out, and given enough time for the effect of the end of EU programs and subsidies to be felt, I wouldn't assume an independent, pro-EU Wales is out of the blue in a scope of 15 years, especially dealing with a worst case scenario.

Also, England is in the EU as well, just not in the Eurozone as of 2030.

And Cornish national identity is virtually non-existent.

Nothing that an utter collapse can't fix. I'll say it a third time: it's a worst case scenario for Britain.

It seems that your objections are based on the assumption of people not changing their minds nor their voting intentions given enough time, which is counter-empirical. Of course, certain changes of mind require a very big background change, but I think a Brexit shock and a chain of secessions qualify.

EDIT: Also by that argument South Yorkshire, Tyneside and most of the North of England should have voted to leave the UK and rejoin the EU as well.

Don't give me ideas

 

[Jcw3]

The nations I.S.O.T.ed to World-9 were Belize, Guyana, Malta, Liberia, Chad, Angola, Kazakhstan, Thailand, East Timor, and Papua New Guinea.

Americas
*Belize and Guyana are still fairly underpopulated parliamentary democracies, albeit republics now, in the absence of any British royalty.
*They have very friendly relations, not quite to the level of forming a single country, but to the point where they’ve amicably split the two continents between each other.
*They haven’t spawned very interesting statelets, just farming colonies who declared independence or struck out on their own. Southeast Cuba has an elected Kingship, but that’s about it for interesting factoids.
*Both states recovered fairly quickly from the I.S.O.T., both being food exporters, and started colonizing, but with their low populations, they haven’t accomplished very much beyond some basic settlement.
*Belize, Guyana, and Malta have a Commonwealth alliance and trade agreement set up between the three of them. It’s largely a symbolic gesture, but they’ve done some good work in Africa.

Europe
*Malta was the only European state I.S.O.T.ed. They managed to get through the I.S.O.T. with tightened belts and conscripting the civilian flight for fishing. These days, they’re a theodemocratic state, claiming that they’re the nation who God has chosen to represent him and the Catholic people on Earth. The Pope is always Maltese.
*In the modern day, they’ve settled the Gibraltar Strait, and are resettling Italy, having started with the Vatican, which is considered a part of Malta.
*Malta welcomes Catholics from Angola to help settle, but has a very strict religious test to enter their nation as a permanent citizen. The mandatory baptism is considered a bit on the nose, even by some Maltese.
*Ukrainians, Russians, and a variety of ethnic groups from Kazakhstan have made their homelands around the Black Sea, with the Kazakhstani blessing.
*Russia and Ukraine are fully independent states nowadays. Ukraine's looking more and more to the Commonwealth for support.

Africa
*Liberia’s the only African state I.S.O.T.ed that managed to stay together. Unfortunately, the transition it took to continue surviving in this new world kneecapped its expansion efforts, and it only came out of its shell around ninety years ago.
*Liberia morphed into an isolationist black supremacist (but only certain types of blacks) state over the lonely decades, and only came out of its shell when one of its spawned statelets raided a border village, and the conflict escalated.
*After the government response was judged lackluster, oppressed minority groups united with a rival governing faction to the one in power, and the previous order was overturned in 2114.
*The new government finally ordered a settlement farther than the ramshackle farms set up by the previous regime, and nowadays Liberia finds itself one amongst equals with the states spawned by it decades ago.
*Guinea and Nigeria (it’s just their names, they’re purely Liberian in descent) are both rivals against Liberia, especially considering Liberia’s present war of annexation against an alliance of tribal states in the interior of West Africa.
*Liberia’s a rather bog standard dictatorship with a pretense of democracy, and most of its spawns aren’t that better. Guinea has a fairly stable democracy, thanks to support from the Commonwealth, but the rest...eh.
*Chad had one of the most violent collapses of any nation in any of the worlds thus far. Landlocked, poor, relatively divided, and a food importer, the I.S.O.T. destroyed their national integrity within a year.
*Nowadays, there are several dozen feudal states occupying what used to be the nation, gradually expanding outwards. Contact was made with the outside world in the 2100s, when an Angolan plane went over the area, but after getting an idea of the situation, the plane decided that it would be best to leave the place alone.
*The current consensus is that contact with Chad is illegal until the Commonwealth, Angola, Liberia, and the West African Alliance can come to an agreement on what to do about that particular quagmire. And they sure are taking a while to ponder that decision.
*The current power in Chad, or the closest thing to a functional state, is True Tchad. True Tchad is based around the old capital of N’Djamena, and has built itself a functioning economy. It’s also a weapon producer, mostly homemade weapons, machetes, and the like, but some enterprising engineers recently figured out cannons and grenades that don’t blow up in your face.
*Which is unfortunate for the rest of the former Chadian state. True Tchad is waging a crusade to claim the nation for their interpretation of the Abrahamic faith. True Tchad follows the belief that God created the universe, then grew frustrated when mankind began to disagree on how to worship him. The philosophy they follow states that God is an observer in our reality who guards the afterlife, and that he judges the accomplishments humanity makes on Earth. Prophets are a cruel lie, God would never interfere with human society to such an extent.
*So, the current President of True Tchad had decided that means he needs to unite the former Chadian state, to spread the word of the True-Tchadian god. Already, the King of Sahhra, a powerful state, has converted, and joined the alliance. And with their new weapons, they break down another heathen state that reveres a human so.
*Angola’s doing a bit better than Chad, at the very least. They collapsed along ethnic lines after the I.S.O.T., and thanks to the Luanda-based regime, are gradually uniting around an economic and defensive alliance. It’s fairly democratic, although a bit chaotic in places.
*Angola is very friendly with Malta, and has sort of fallen for the ‘Malta represents Catholicism’ thing. As such, their relations with the Commonwealth have skyrocketed, and Angolan immigrants are beginning to show up and boost settlement in Guyana and Belize.
*Thailand’s set up a forward base in southeast Africa, where they trade with the Angolan states, and prepare to expand their rule outside of southeast Asia.

Asia/Oceania
*Kazakhstan’s developed a legitimate democracy, a step up from its previous one-party regime. It’s pretty spotty in places, and there are large swathes of the nation that might as well be independent, but it’s doing fine.
*It spawned a few statelets in Asia as well, like an Uzbek, German, and a Tatar state, among others.
*Kazakhstan and her spawns have made cordial contact with Malta, but the religious differences have soured both sides, and they’ve not done much talking since.
*Thailand’s doing very well for itself. It’s transitioned into a military-dominated meritocracy with some democratic elements in portions of society, that has a bad habit of forcing its minorities to spread out and colonize land for them.
*Not to say that it hasn’t allowed the formation of statelets, the existence of Khmeria and China obviously disproves that hypothesis.
*Thailand just prefers to keep a very tight grip on its sphere of influence.
*It’s probably the closest thing to a great power this world has, as it has two I.S.O.T.ed states under its influence.
*East Timor wasn’t an especially impressive nation when it was brought in, and still isn’t today. It’s a corrupt democracy that’s only settled a few islands in the Indonesian archipelago, and bits and pieces of Australia. Heavily influenced by Thailand, and there are rumblings about it being subsumed into the fold.
*Papua New Guinea, on the other hand, would be too much of a P.I.T.A for Thailand to take in. So many tribes, so many problems. The Papuan government settled the rest of the island, set up a few autonomous coastal states for the more independently-minded tribes, and then let the rest of its citizens go where they please, not really wanting to spend the effort of colonization when it already had all that it needed.

World
*Tech’s rather schizophrenic, thanks to lack of connection between most of the powers. Thailand is the most advanced, with tech mostly around the early 2020s. It barely has a few satellites for Internet, and its army isn’t that advanced, but its civilian technology is surprisingly far ahead of the rest of the country.
*The Commonwealth, Kazakhstan and Angola generally have modern day tech, maybe a bit behind. Liberia is stuck in the ‘50s, and you’d be lucky to see radios in Chad nowadays.
*You would get laughed at for suggesting any of the states on World-9 use space travel. What a waste of resources, when there’s so much left of Earth!
*Thailand’s sort of starting to come at odds with the Commonwealth and Angola, which is why they’re looking into other allies. A long-distance plane flight from Bangkok to Astana has been made, and the two countries are beginning to come to an agreement...

Questions? Thoughts? Comments? Next world is Venezuela, Grenada, Austria, the Netherlands, Vatican City, Ghana, Burundi, Madagascar, Yemen, and South Korea.

 

[Goliath]

my old unfinished project, ISOT of states with limited recognition (only controlled at least a part of claimed territory)

Interesting- I can't seem to figure out what the state in Burma is though


For some non-ISOT related maps, here's one I made a while ago for the greatest map game ever produced;

Historiae Mutetur- where each turn comes earlier in time than the one before it (after it?_) https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/silent-reverse-mapgame-historiae-mutetur.298392/

 

[Alex Richards]

Wasn't Welsh upsurge of euroskepticism a very recent and fairly even thing? Papers seem to indicate so, so we're discussing a present and very volatile situation, with the prospects of becoming even more volatile. If Ireland unites and Scotland goes out, and given enough time for the effect of the end of EU programs and subsidies to be felt, I wouldn't assume an independent, pro-EU Wales is out of the blue in a scope of 15 years, especially dealing with a worst case scenario.

Also, England is in the EU as well, just not in the Eurozone as of 2030.

Not really? Welsh support for UKIP has tracked pretty well with English support for example.

Nothing that an utter collapse can't fix. I'll say it a third time: it's a worst case scenario for Britain.

It seems that your objections are based on the assumption of people not changing their minds nor their voting intentions given enough time, which is counter-empirical. Of course, certain changes of mind require a very big background change, but I think a Brexit shock and a chain of secessions qualify.

Mate, half the population of Cornwall is comprised of old retirees from London and the Home Counties. The Cornish language had literally been dead for 2 centuries when concerted efforts in the 1950s began to start teaching it again. Yes there's a strong identity there, but it's certainly no stronger than that of Yorkshire and I rather suspect the latter would vote to leave first.

There's 'changing your mind in drastic circumstances' and then there's 'utterly absurd possibilities that are only ever mentioned because some Celtic nationalists get overeager on Wikipedia'. Mebyon Kernow has 4 of the 123 members of Cornwall Council despite the fact that they've been campaigning there for decades. UKIP won 6 councillors and 3 times the voteshare in 2013. True 4 of those have since defected, but that's because UKIP's shit at keeping hold of people.

In comparison, 15 years before they became the largest party in Holyrood in 2007 the SNP had 3 MPs and dozens of councillors, including control of Angus council and being the largest party in West Lothian, as well as 24% of the countrywide vote (c.f. the 4.6% of the Mebyon Kernow vote in Cornwall in 2013). So yes you could well have a significant autonomist movement in Cornwall, but outright independence goes so far into the 'well now we're just throwing crazy shit out there' that you might as well have the country under a military dictatorship it's just as likely.

 

[Goldstein]

Not really? Welsh support for UKIP has tracked pretty well with English support for example.

I understand that UKIP won its first seats this year. That seems pretty recent. Papers were talking about Wales "turning Eurosceptic" mere months ago. Hardly a set trend.

 

[Alex Richards]

I understand that UKIP won its first seats this year. That seems pretty recent. Papers were talking about Wales "turning Eurosceptic" mere months ago. Hardly a set trend.

UKIP as a separate party have only really been a significant thing since 2012 (They capitalised a lot off the decline of the 'fuck all the major parties' Lib Dem vote), a year after the previous Welsh elections. There's been some Eurosceptic Welsh MPs elected since at least 2005 as well. And considering how poor the polling has been for a couple of years I'm not sure I'd trust any article based on them.

 

[Grand Prince Paul II.]

“The EU’s failing, the EU’s dying, I hope we’ve knocked the first brick out of the wall" -Nigel Farage.

Indeed, man, indeed you have...

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What have you done to Poland?

 

[GodEmperorG]

The nations I.S.O.T.ed to World-9 were Belize, Guyana, Malta, Liberia, Chad, Angola, Kazakhstan, Thailand, East Timor, and Papua New Guinea.

*Thailand’s sort of starting to come at odds with the Commonwealth and Angola, which is why they’re looking into other allies. A long-distance plane flight from Bangkok to Astana has been made, and the two countries are beginning to come to an agreement...

Hmm, if I had to guess, the two main factions of this world would be the Thailand-Kzakhstan Axis (with Russia, East Timor, Papua New Guinea and possibly Liberia) representing one side and the Commonwealth leading the other side (with Angola tagging along, and the Ukraine latching onto the Commonwealth to survive). The main friction point would be either the fate of Chad or due to infighting between Ukraine and Russia.

 

[Nanwe]

The European Community is the (at least in 1966) quasi-federal entity comprising most of continental Europe. Created in 1956 after the ratification of the Treaty of Paris with the creation of the EPC, an umbrella organisation with both economic and political aspects and which also contains the EDC and the ECSC. The EC is still in the making. Although the polity (country?) has its own Armed Forces, the EDF (European Defence Forces) and has progressed quite quickly in political and economic integration, there is a lot to do just yet before the EC becomes something akin to Switzerland. For instance, the Member States still try to fight for their right to operate independently on foreign policy issues, even though they never have control of military or commercial issues, and some aspects of the military, like nuclear weapons proliferation remain beyond its reach (currently an intergovernmental project, F-I-G). The EC has legitimised itself thanks to its status as the second most important NATO member or the exceptional economic growth that Europe is experiencing, not seen since the Belle Époque, and ongoing since the mid-1950s.

Europe really is flourishing, however questions abound how fair it is abound. Social policy is an area that dominates the European political debate, as countries remain rather reticent to share it, given their differences. Whereas France wishes to expand its model of worker's rights protection through the Community, Germany and Italy are reticent, as their cheap workforce is one of their comparative advantages. Germany could accept it in exchange of the process of monetary stabilisation and convergence speeding ahead, but the French are not too keen on that either. But 1966 was a year marked by social conflicts, because in Italy, in France and even in Germany, not to mention Belgium, it's been a year of labour demands and class conflicts, with a high amount of strikes and social conflicts as Saarbruck and the national authorities try to placate these movements by giving in to their demands through further social funding or legislative means.

As it stands, the EC is practically a dominant party system, with the Christian-democratic Union of European Democrats (UED) as the main political party, dominant in every single Member State save France and Denmark. Indeed, the party has been in government at the European level since 1956 and at the national level, it's practically been in government non-stop since WWII. The Union consists of several national federated parties, but the most important ones are the Italian DC and the German CDU-CSU. The politically vague name is the result of a compromise between French and German members, as the former would not accept a clearly confessional name. The current President of the European Executive Council (EEC) is Pierre Henri-Teitgen, a Frenchman, previously a Minister in various French governments and known for his radically pro-European beliefs, sometimes clashing with the national chief executives.

On the right of the spectrum it is possible to find the European Liberal League (ELL), successor of the European Economic League association. It is not so much a proper political party as a group of the various national liberal and conservative parties. The ELL is relatively sceptical of the European integration, mixing federalist rhetoric with a more nationalist outlook, particularly in Germany. The leading party is the French PRC (Parti républicain du centre), led by Roger Duchet, and which happens to be the most pro-European of the lot of them. It is also the most anti-communistic and pro-free market of all the groups, although it makes common cause with some UED elements.

The left is very divided between the European Socialist Party (ESP), strong in Germany and northern Europe, but weak in Italy and France and the Communist Group (CG), strong in Italy and France, weak elsewhere and banned in Western Germany. Although originally sceptical of the whole European integration process, decried by the SFIO as a 'little, Jesuitic Europe', its internationalism, focus on economic and social welfare combined with anti-communism have turned them around. It also helps that amongst the post-war generation of social democrats there are many pro-Europeans (Spaak, Mollet, Saragat, etc.). Indeed, the ESP is currently in a grand coalition arrangement with the UED, backing the EEC.

Needless to say, the Communists, still tied to Moscow are not happy about an organisation that they perceive as radically opposed to Moscow's interests and yet another instrument of capitalist oppression. Well, except for the PCI, but it does not admit it yet, but it's warming up to the internationalism of the EC. Especially given that once you're in, there's no going out.

The Radical Rally (RR) is a bit of an oddity, the last remnants of the non-Marxist left that still exists in Europe. Basically it's a three-party group, although it really is a one party group, given that the French PRS is so much more stronger than any other radical party. Like the Liberals, they are bit sceptical of the European project, but back wholeheartedly its policies of industrial rationalisation, modernisation and concentration. Especially once it became apparent that France would not be bought out by the dynamic German economy - to Mendès-France's satisfaction.

The 1966 election did not constitute a major shift, the same coalition was re-edited (for the last time), in order to further advance in the institution-building process and expand the EC's legitimising base. Teitgen would renew his electoral mandate, although not for much longer; practically ten years in power is a long time. The election was marked by an improvement of the French Christian democrats resulting in the UED ending 19 seats away from an absolute majority. But social troubles are soon to break the pacific picture.

 

[Jcw3]

ISOT World-10 contained Venezuela, Grenada, Austria, the Netherlands, Vatican City, Ghana, Burundi, Madagascar, Yemen, and South Korea. I’m going to start using a light green outline with a black inside to show prominent pariah states, radiation, and the like.

Americas
*Venezuela collapsed almost instantly post-I.S.O.T.
*Their economic issues, instability, lack of food, well, Venezuela erupted into anarchy almost immediately.
*Venezuelan refugees flooded into Curacao, and the local government, having food issues of its own, has a lot of things to apologize for with the treatment of the Venezuelan people.
*The descendants of those refugees are generally the most hostile to the European Union on the planet. But those memories are fading away with time, especially as the world becomes more and more globalized thanks to Seoul and Amsterdam/Vienna.
*It took several decades, but Venezuela eventually reunified under an E.U.-sponsored liberal democracy, and is now working on expanding and exploiting the resources of South and Central America.
*Mostly South America, since almost all of their minorities, desperate people seeking to flee the previous regimes and anarchic states, and plain old nutsos are mostly based out of the Caribbean and Central America.
*Brasil, Espanola, and Jamaica are all states ready to rejoin Venezuela, or as it insists on being called now, the American Union of Venezuela.
*Grenada was a net food importer that barely managed to keep itself alive under the strain of Venezuelan refugees with conscription of its tourist and local population to go fishing.
*Nowadays, it’s a full-fledged member of the European Union, and together with Curacao and the Netherlands’ other Caribbean possessions, is the forefront of their operations in the Caribbean, limited as they may be thanks to growing Venezuelan strength.
*In the 2020s, the E.U.’s population of Americans left to Boston and New York City to go found their own state. Today, their population is mostly a mixture of Americans abroad, Venezuelans, and some politically radical members of European society.
*The Hanguk-sponsored America, in California, however, is predominantly Korean nowadays. The native American population has largely been out-competed by a continuous stream of immigrants from their patron.
*The modern day Pacific State of America is essentially a Korean state ruled by leftover American means, and even that much is fading away. They aren’t interested in joining Hanguk, but they’re by no means comparable to the O.T.L. U.S.A.

Europe
*Austria and Netherlands weathered the initial bad years fairly well, and cooperation between the two led to an official political union in the 2040s. The European Union’s continental territories consist of Austria, the Netherlands, and fifteen new statelets formed by nationalists of varying stripes.
*It’s much closer to an actual federation than most E.U.’s, and still holds true to its democratic principles. After the initial bad decades, they accepted quite a few Venezuelan and Yemeni refugees, and in the modern day, as contact with Burundi is made, they’re working on helping those as well.
*Their military is absolutely pathetic, though. That’s the only reason the Islamic State of Mesopotamia still exists, after all.
*The E.U. has a two capital system under Amsterdam and Vienna, where the cities switch over every five years.
*The Vatican also came along, and boy, isn’t that a tragic story.
*Seventeen thousand people were in the Vatican that day, mostly tourists, and when the food ran out after a week or so, chaos reigned. Both of that time’s Popes were killed in the riots, and around two thousand people died of starvation, and several thousand more of natural causes in the ensuing three weeks.
*Eventually, Dutch ships arrived to share food (around a month after I.S.O.T.), thanks to an emergency measure by the Dutch parliament. The survivors' descendants still have a community in The Hague today.
*The Vatican nowadays is a heavily European organization, and they only even started considering non-European popes in the late 2170s. Pope Francis II of Maturin is actually the first Venezuelan Pope.

Africa
*Ghana weathered the I.S.O.T. rather well, as a stable, democratic, prosperous regime. Food was an issue, and riots ran rampant in the more remote parts of the nation, but they were able to get back on track relatively quickly.
*They haven’t changed much in the past two hundred years, apart from a rather obscene claim over most of Africa.
*They’re the second most prosperous African nation after the rise of Madagascar, but they’re still advancing at a stable, steady rate, and have friendly relations with most of their spawned statelets.
*Burundi, unfortunately, didn’t. A poor, landlocked nation with minimal access to food and a spectacular amount of ethnic strife...well, they fell apart. Minorities of all stripes fled into the jungles and flatlands surrounding the nation, and those that did normally survived.
*Eventually, a warlord alliance managed to regain control over the nation, and today, said warlords have created a sort of regency council to rule over the entire nation while they handle their own individual territories.
*The warlords of Burundi generally pass down their title to the most qualified candidate, which creates some fascinating court politics.
*The Burundian successor states have largely settled down, there haven’t been any wars in a few decades, and contact with the outside world has fascinated them for a while. Europe and Madagascar are working on keeping in touch with them, and trying to educate them to modern standards.
*Madagascar had a remarkably safe transition post-I.S.O.T., and is a stable democracy working on settling East Africa. They were actually the ones who propped up a few Yemeni refugee states near what would be India.
*I’m afraid they aren’t a terribly interesting country. No massive chaotic shifts, just steady settling of the continent, and a few spawned statelets on the Cape and downriver from the main Malagasy settlements.
*They’re looking into staking some claims on India or Australia, but they have enough in Africa, and they don’t want to draw Hanguk’s ire.
*Yemen’s beginning to settle the African Horn, and refugees from the nation have been doing it for ages.
*The European Union sent their migrants and African workers to North Africa to settle, and there’s even an Indo-Moluccan State (that’s literally what it’s called, they couldn’t pick another name) in West Africa. They’ve also rebuilt the Suez.

Middle East
*Yemen was the only nation I.S.O.T.ed, but that by no means results in the Middle East being boring.
*The Yemeni Civil War was settled with a two-state solution, which has remarkably only gone awry a few times.
*The Islamic Republic of Houthistan hasn’t really amounted to much, but the legitimate government, sponsored by most of the world’s powers, is happily expanding.
*Mecca’s been rebuilt, and the international community is doing their best to keep the Houthis and Yemenis from killing each other again.
*There are around a dozen refugee statelets, only a few of which are visible on the map. The Islamic Republic of Sumal is pending annexation into Madagascar.
*Socotra declared independence, and has violently repudiated attempts to annex it. Occasionally conservative politicians will demand an invasion to retake it for Yemen, but it’s nowhere near the top of anyone’s minds. It became a place to hide for refugees seeking shipment to elsewhere.
*Al-Qaeda and their ilk founded a state on the delta of Mesopotamia, and it’s still alive today, in a radical Islamist democracy.
*As long as they stay in their box, Europe and Hanguk are content to let them exist, with all of their torture, beheadings, and genital mutilations. No one trades with them, of course.

Asia
*South Korea practically jumped for joy when it found out the North, Japan, China, and America were all gone. Hell, all of Asia, too! Oh, the food was a massive issue, and the die-off catastrophic in some remote places, but in the end, Seoul managed to keep its peoples focus on the fact that they were now the inheritors of Asia.
*Okay, so it required a lot of mass executions and deportation into the wilderness. But the government has apologized for that! Get over it already, citizen!
*Hanguk is the term used for South Korea nowadays, as it claims all of Asia for itself. This attitude has sort of damaged relations with the world outside of Asia, as you can imagine, particularly Madagascar, who is seeking closer friendship with Amsterdam/Vienna.
*Hanguk has settled Korea proper, and is working on China. They have allowed the Chinese, Vietnamese and Japanese to build their own states, under heavy Hangugeo influence.
*We’ve already mentioned the Pacifican-Americans, which was the result of their bases being evicted during the dark times. Hanguk is considering using them as an opening to colonize America, but as of this moment, their focus is on Asia/Oceania.
*Hanguk’s a very jingoistic, nationalistic democracy, that is starting to worry the other powers the closer it gets. It’s one of the two most powerful nations on Earth, and it’s finally starting to interfere with the rest of the world.
*Hawaii has been fully settled by Hanguk, and the District of Hawai is one of the more popular overseas territories.

World
*Tech level amongst connected nations is roughly in the 2060s, and Hanguk has visited Luna and Mars as vanity projects.
*Psychohistory is being employed to great extents, and cybernetic implants are an everyday part of life.


World-10 will contain Guinea-Bissau, Northern Cyprus, Benin, Tanzania, Kosovo, Sao Tome and Principe, Georgia, Micronesia, United Arab Emirates, and Indonesia.

 

[Alex Richards]

Wouldn't the Vatican be able to get through to Austria at least by Radio? Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if the Austrian airforce just took a flight over Italy towards North Africa to check to see if anyone was there and be able to spot them. At that point, while I'm sure some would object, the prospect of 'there's thousands of people starving to death over there, and it's almost certain at least some will be Dutch citizens' would be enough to send an emergency transport over for an evac.

 

[Jcw3]

Wouldn't the Vatican be able to get through to Austria at least by Radio? Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if the Austrian airforce just took a flight over Italy towards North Africa to check to see if anyone was there and be able to spot them. At that point, while I'm sure some would object, the prospect of 'there's thousands of people starving to death over there, and it's almost certain at least some will be Dutch citizens' would be enough to send an emergency transport over for an evac.

There were. Did I not make that clear enough? It's not like this lasted for decades, just a few months. At that time, focus was on the Netherlands proper.

 

[Analytical Engine]

@Nanwe It's odd to see blue coloured Liberals, and yellow coloured Centre-Right, but these colours are mostly arbitrary, from the time of colour television anyway. Coolness otherwise.

 

[Alex Richards]

There were. Did I not make that clear enough? It's not like this lasted for decades, just a few months. At that time, focus was on the Netherlands proper.

Even months seems a rather long timescale on that front- you could literally sail a ship over there in a few days, and I'd like to see who in the Dutch Parliament is going to stand up in response to a proposal of 'we've 17 million people to feed, a few thousand more is practically a rounding error' and say 'let them starve'. Hell, there's probably a few thousand already Dutch tourists already out of the country for starters.

The sort of timescale we're talking about means that people are going to be making this sort of decision before we even get to the stage of 'so what are the rations going to look like for the time being then?'

 

[Jcw3]

Even months seems a rather long timescale on that front- you could literally sail a ship over there in a few days, and I'd like to see who in the Dutch Parliament is going to stand up in response to a proposal of 'we've 17 million people to feed, a few thousand more is practically a rounding error' and say 'let them starve'. Hell, there's probably a few thousand already Dutch tourists already out of the country for starters.

The sort of timescale we're talking about means that people are going to be making this sort of decision before we even get to the stage of 'so what are the rations going to look like for the time being then?'

Alright. You're probably right. I'll edit the post.

 

[Goldstein]

What have you done to Poland?

Nothing, it has the same status as now. Lighter shade of blue means EU but not Eurozone.

 

[Beedok]

Planet F