Map Thread XIV
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I think I got it now. I assume that Bormann was just an acting or interim Fuhrer?
Has Cairo got the bomb, actually? Which powers do own the bomb, legitimately, and which do it secrety or illegitimately?
Is it proven that Cairo supports fanatical Islamists? Is the state governed from Cairo islamist itself?
Where is the North Korean equivalent? Maybe South Myanmar?
What is going on in communist(?) Argentina? Who leads it, and in what way is it led?
Bormann was more the power behind the throne and was only Fuhrer for want of a better candidate and because the first two Fuhrers left a big mess behind them.
On the bomb: Cairo does not yet have it. They keep complaining, but trying to keep out of pariah status means they'll stick to complaining and not violating nuclear non-proliferation agreements. As for powers with the bomb: the USSA has the most, Moscow is not far behind, then there's big drop down the Germany (~France levels), China (~India levels), Brazil (~ Israel levels and the ones that set off the anti-proliferation issue when the USSA panicked), India (~Pakistan levels), and sort of the Ottomans + Ukraine (they've got some Russian warheads stationed there that they technically paid for the manufacturing and the upkeep of, but technically remain Russian nukes). Thailand keeps making noises about the issue when Cairo brings it up, and there's fears South Africa or Australia might have them (South Africa is throwing loads of resources at it, Australia does indeed have a few and is offering South Africa a couple at a high price).
Cairo is Islamist, but more moderate than OTL Iran. They're funding extremists in Nigeria (along with moderates) as the lesser evil vs. Communism and a hope to get back their . . . let's call it 'street cred' with extremists so they'll stopping causing trouble for Cairo.
There isn't exactly a North Korea equivalent, though Brittany might sort of count? Should the USSA fail then Brittany and Ireland will both have some serious economic issues and Brittany is roughly as pillboxed as OTL's Albania.
Argentina is a pro-Washington dictatorship, but they remain semi-capitalist (there's a mess of socialist and capitalist tendencies, basically crony economics at work... Brazil failed to properly transition them from Fascism).
Thanks everyone for all the really nice feedback about the last one of these I did! I'm going to continue, and plus I'm hoping Beedok continues too
Devanagari ISOT World- य (pronounced 'ya').
In this world nations whose Hindi name starts with य have ISOT to a human-less earth which diverged about four million years ago from our own. Of course, as in English there's Yemen (यमन- 'Yaman'), Ukraine (युक्रेन- 'Yukren'), Uganda (युगाण्डा- 'Yugaanda'), and surprisingly, Greece (यूनान- 'Yoonaan'). You read that last one right. Most of the languages of the Middle East and India have some variation of the word 'Ionian' as their word for Greece, since the Ionians were the Greeks who settled in Turkey and during Persian/Alexandrian/Hellenic/Roman times spread throughout the Middle East as Merchants.
Here's the world approximately fifteen decades after the ISOT;
Of the various ISOT worlds in this series, the world of य is perhaps the most politically stable.
When the ISOT event took place, Ukraine found itself neighboring the angry and militarized Luhansk and Donetsk Republics (though Crimea did not make the journey). With the rise of a new government in Kiev (and emergency powers) the Luhansk and Donetsk Republics as well as other Militant Russian-speakers began a large trek east. In Yemen, the civil war dragged on, with refugees populating new areas. Absent Saudi intervention, the Houthis smashed to victory in large parts of the country, and ruling over Sunni populations gradually forced them to become more tolerant. Uganda, though it looked like things would be rough after Museveni's assassination, kept the lights on relatively non-violently once a handsome young lad in a military uniform took control of the situation. And for Greece, protests and the rise of extreme groups did become a problem, but a sort of veiled 'elite that knows best' moved the country into a technocratic type government.
By now, a century and a half later, the world is quite at an equilibrium. Not quite a 1984 world, but more Pre-1914 Europe. New states are illegal, but all four are busy chugging along building factories and settlements in new places. All four of the states claim to be Republics, Uganda tends in practice to be close to an Elective Monarchy, Yemen a theocracy (gradually ramping up the oppression on the 30% Sunni population not living in one of the client states acting as a Sunni Reservation), Ukraine a Communist-Fascist synthesis, and Greece a Venice-type Lordship. For the majority of their citizens their not at all bad- though lacking in Democracy, a shortage of workers for the continent-spanning Empires that are being built keeps the bargaining power largely in the favor of the masses (for now). Greece for instance, though at the highest levels non-Democratic, is very democratic in its many Anarchist city-states and far-flung colonies.
Greece of course, does see it as the center of the world. Culture, and all. The government was the first to energetically promote colonization (aside from the Russians trek out of the Ukraine). A positively pseudo-solipsistic worldview (we are the center of the universe!) is gaining ground. Nearly 20% of the population is now Hellenic Pagan (though there's still a state Church and plenty of secular people). Science has advanced the most here, though not by much, taking a back seat to Engineers who are needed to design cities and transportation, and Artisans to make them beautiful (the more efficiently designed but barren Ukrainian trains and cities are lauded as lacking in 'culture').
The only war fought between nations so far, was a relatively large and religious one between Yemen and Greece, that resulted in the formation of an International Jerusalem. The Yemenis have toned down a bit since then- more concerned with their own Sunni problem, and are now willing to trade with Greece (Greece likes Yemeni Oil, and Yemen likes technology and investment). Parliament ignores the more Radical wing of the Council of Clerics which would like to resume scimitar-rattling.
The real growing power is Uganda. Though it started well behind the others, its industrialized over the last century and now can truly compete with the others. Though the majority of its people speak a variety of languages, a sort of Swahili with lots of English influence has become the standard language of the court. It's explorers are traversing the world, seeing whether South Africa or Argentina or Australia would be better to colonize first to compete with the Greeks. If one thing is going to hold it back though, its the de facto nobility that's slowly formed. In another century or so, a confrontation between Greece and Uganda may be forming.
For now, it is the Greeks sailing across oceans. The Ukrainians connect longer railroads across the steppes, and the Yemenis sail from one Desert coastline to the next, and the Ugandans build more magnificent cities in the Jungle. But it is Greece which leads, not as America in the 21st century, but as Britain in the 19th.
All sorts of people may be plotting to take down the four-way order, but for now it stands strong.
Devanagari ISOT World- य (pronounced 'ya').
In this world nations whose Hindi name starts with य have ISOT to a human-less earth which diverged about four million years ago from our own. Of course, as in English there's Yemen (यमन- 'Yaman'), Ukraine (युक्रेन- 'Yukren'), Uganda (युगाण्डा- 'Yugaanda'), and surprisingly, Greece (यूनान- 'Yoonaan'). You read that last one right. Most of the languages of the Middle East and India have some variation of the word 'Ionian' as their word for Greece, since the Ionians were the Greeks who settled in Turkey and during Persian/Alexandrian/Hellenic/Roman times spread throughout the Middle East as Merchants.
Here's the world approximately fifteen decades after the ISOT;
Of the various ISOT worlds in this series, the world of य is perhaps the most politically stable.
When the ISOT event took place, Ukraine found itself neighboring the angry and militarized Luhansk and Donetsk Republics (though Crimea did not make the journey). With the rise of a new government in Kiev (and emergency powers) the Luhansk and Donetsk Republics as well as other Militant Russian-speakers began a large trek east. In Yemen, the civil war dragged on, with refugees populating new areas. Absent Saudi intervention, the Houthis smashed to victory in large parts of the country, and ruling over Sunni populations gradually forced them to become more tolerant. Uganda, though it looked like things would be rough after Museveni's assassination, kept the lights on relatively non-violently once a handsome young lad in a military uniform took control of the situation. And for Greece, protests and the rise of extreme groups did become a problem, but a sort of veiled 'elite that knows best' moved the country into a technocratic type government.
By now, a century and a half later, the world is quite at an equilibrium. Not quite a 1984 world, but more Pre-1914 Europe. New states are illegal, but all four are busy chugging along building factories and settlements in new places. All four of the states claim to be Republics, Uganda tends in practice to be close to an Elective Monarchy, Yemen a theocracy (gradually ramping up the oppression on the 30% Sunni population not living in one of the client states acting as a Sunni Reservation), Ukraine a Communist-Fascist synthesis, and Greece a Venice-type Lordship. For the majority of their citizens their not at all bad- though lacking in Democracy, a shortage of workers for the continent-spanning Empires that are being built keeps the bargaining power largely in the favor of the masses (for now). Greece for instance, though at the highest levels non-Democratic, is very democratic in its many Anarchist city-states and far-flung colonies.
Greece of course, does see it as the center of the world. Culture, and all. The government was the first to energetically promote colonization (aside from the Russians trek out of the Ukraine). A positively pseudo-solipsistic worldview (we are the center of the universe!) is gaining ground. Nearly 20% of the population is now Hellenic Pagan (though there's still a state Church and plenty of secular people). Science has advanced the most here, though not by much, taking a back seat to Engineers who are needed to design cities and transportation, and Artisans to make them beautiful (the more efficiently designed but barren Ukrainian trains and cities are lauded as lacking in 'culture').
The only war fought between nations so far, was a relatively large and religious one between Yemen and Greece, that resulted in the formation of an International Jerusalem. The Yemenis have toned down a bit since then- more concerned with their own Sunni problem, and are now willing to trade with Greece (Greece likes Yemeni Oil, and Yemen likes technology and investment). Parliament ignores the more Radical wing of the Council of Clerics which would like to resume scimitar-rattling.
The real growing power is Uganda. Though it started well behind the others, its industrialized over the last century and now can truly compete with the others. Though the majority of its people speak a variety of languages, a sort of Swahili with lots of English influence has become the standard language of the court. It's explorers are traversing the world, seeing whether South Africa or Argentina or Australia would be better to colonize first to compete with the Greeks. If one thing is going to hold it back though, its the de facto nobility that's slowly formed. In another century or so, a confrontation between Greece and Uganda may be forming.
For now, it is the Greeks sailing across oceans. The Ukrainians connect longer railroads across the steppes, and the Yemenis sail from one Desert coastline to the next, and the Ugandans build more magnificent cities in the Jungle. But it is Greece which leads, not as America in the 21st century, but as Britain in the 19th.
All sorts of people may be plotting to take down the four-way order, but for now it stands strong.
Turtledove's 'The Man with The Iron Heart':
In this world Reinhard Heydrich survives and manages to create successful german ressistance movement after world war 2. The Cold War is a bit delayed due to american and soviet cooperation to stop the German Freedom Front.
In this world Reinhard Heydrich survives and manages to create successful german ressistance movement after world war 2. The Cold War is a bit delayed due to american and soviet cooperation to stop the German Freedom Front.
Jcw3
Banned
Will read this later, but I notice there aren't many states besides the ones that were ISOTed. There weren't any ethnic minorities or discontented groups or expatriates who wanted to go away and found their own nation? Again, I haven't read this yet, so I could be wrong.
I will look into this later.
Other than that, I hope you continue. And Beedok as well. Looking forward to B!
EDIT: So why are new states illegal, and how exactly do the four enforce this?
I think that its that map that's been circulating around featuring a bunch of equally populated states, but on worlda.
shiftygiant
Gone Fishin'
Ah, right.
It looks goodi was looking over at this thread and saw the map and thought why not make it
sorry just saw this and yup thats where i have the bomb being dropped although i may change it from being a 60 mt bomb detonated over the sea to a neutron bomb detonated over Sevastopol idk. and the red ottomans did as a display of force to the international comunity in times of unrest in the crimean occupation and hieghtening orthodox terrorist attacksI'm guessing that the X is where the bomb went off? But wow-who bombed Crimea and why?
Turtledove's 'The Man with The Iron Heart':
In this world Reinhard Heydrich survives and manages to create successful german ressistance movement after world war 2. The Cold War is a bit delayed due to american and soviet cooperation to stop the German Freedom Front.
I like the map.
Has anyone done a TL on this around the 80s, or early 2000s?
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