Map Thread XIII
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As well as Poor Britain and Poor Japan.
Yes, indeed. Let us be glad that isn't OTL!
I mean the American's here wouldn't be even remotly bothered if any or all rebels turned to Cannibalism due to lack of food, they'd just starve them out....or just unleash the biological weapons.
Wow. Seems a lot more aggressive then OTL's America. What's the POD? WW2?
POD? The US conquered Canada during the Independence War, after the British defeat, the Loyalists resettled in the Crown Colony of Drakia in South Africa. The thousands of Hessian German mercenaries who fought on the Loyalist side were also given asylum there.
Updated version of something I've been working on from the old thread.
This is the world in the year 1925
Pod: Red Week in Holland is more organized and ends in a successful coup d'état, which causes France and England to focus on capturing Dutch colonies to prevent communism from spreading, meaning they withdraw from the Russian civil war. The soviets focus on defeating Poland and meet up with the Spartacus League in Prussia, leading to many other leftist revolts succeeding throughout Europe. In China after the Soviets conquered East Europe they launched an offensive into Uyghuristan and Mongolia. England France and Japan allied to stop them from entering China proper, and as part of the plan they helped the Republic of China consolidate the Interior China. Japan refused to withdraw from their new territory, and the Raj expanded into Tibet, with France taking some of the south. Smaller countries like Iran and Thailand were also conquered or made into puppet states to stop communism's spread. So what do people think?
This is the world in the year 1925
Pod: Red Week in Holland is more organized and ends in a successful coup d'état, which causes France and England to focus on capturing Dutch colonies to prevent communism from spreading, meaning they withdraw from the Russian civil war. The soviets focus on defeating Poland and meet up with the Spartacus League in Prussia, leading to many other leftist revolts succeeding throughout Europe. In China after the Soviets conquered East Europe they launched an offensive into Uyghuristan and Mongolia. England France and Japan allied to stop them from entering China proper, and as part of the plan they helped the Republic of China consolidate the Interior China. Japan refused to withdraw from their new territory, and the Raj expanded into Tibet, with France taking some of the south. Smaller countries like Iran and Thailand were also conquered or made into puppet states to stop communism's spread. So what do people think?
This is very nice, though having all the communist countries use the same color is a bit confusing (it looks, for example, like the Netherlands are an exclave of the USSR).
Yeah, but I can't think of a way to show them as communists, do you have any ideas?
Use the regular color as an outline and have Soviet red as the fill in to show it as a Soviet puppet?
Well, after all the critiscism and such (and I'm sure there'll be more), without further ado:
It started with a vote. In 1912, Champ Clark, the nominee for the Democratic Party presidential campaign, won two-thirds of the vote on the vote of Williams Jennings Bryan, who broke the voting deadlock of over forty ballots, most of which went to Clark. This vote changed everything, as Clark maintained the party unity to support his campaign, which ended in the popular and electoral vote of Champ Clark as the 28th President of the United States of America.
"I, James Beauchamp Clark, do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States."
Almost immediately after the elections, Clark instituted a policy of increased isolationism in late 1912, especially against the Europeans, who seemed to be gathering tensions over Europe. Finally, in 1914, when war broke out, an extreme isolationist United States offered only munitions and cotton to the participants. When a blockade was issued by both Britain and Germany, Clark responded by sending armed escorts with the commercial ships, while docking in a neutral Norway. Both nations, not wanting to go to war with the industrious and mercantile nation, reluctantly allowed the ships to pass by. This only went to prolong stalemates in the West, and increase German power in the Eastern Front. However, as 1917 came around, the now militaristic regimes had to forcefully coerce the population to continue the war of attrition, only staying afloat by use of propaganda and conscription. This all ended when the Russian Empire collapsed and splintered into many different ideological groups, the Soviets in the West, the Tsarists in the East, the Menshiviks in the North and the Liberals in the South. Although Ludendorff and Hindenburg viewed this as a chance to regain momentum in the East, the Kaiser and other leaders of the European powers realized it was only a model for their own collapse if the war continues. This recognition led all to come together at the Convention of Bern, the capital of Switzerland. It resulted in a multitude of territorial changes, such as Germany gaining power in the East, but losing power in the colonies, France losing overall, Russia following up France as a major loser, and Britain gaining many colonies overseas. Meanwhile, Austria-Hungary is only held together by the economic and industrial help of Germany. Soon after, in 1937, a radical imperialistic Japan took advantage of the unstable situation in China to try their hand in conquering Chinese Manchuria. However, they did not take into account the the United States would step out of its isolationist shell to "protect American assets", evicting Japan from China and restricting them heavily, save for their position in Korea. About three years later, the situation over Europe seems glum as France rearms and readies for war under the banner of the First French National Socialist Party, a totalitarian government replacing the seemingly "weak" parliamentary monarchy. Germany, an economic world leader, looks on with worry at not only France but the Soviets in the East, where they have been supplying the collapsing Mensheviks for quite awhile through smuggling, hoping to strengthen their only hope at deterring any thoughts of Soviet invasion of former territory, including German-controlled Poland. Austria-Hungary faces secret Soviet support of rebellions in the puppetized Serbia and other less-loyal parts of the empire. Britain seems unsure as to join sides in the political situation,either France or Germany, as old habits die hard. Meanwhile, Tsarist, Democratic and Soviet Russia, the first two already occupying territory of the Mensheviks, seem ready to go to war yet again after an unstable treaty ending the Civil War signed in 1921 seems ready to be broken. Japan is still bitter against the U.S. over the harsh repercussions of the so-called Manchurian Conflict, and those feelings may soon be shown. It is now 1940 and the Menshevik state is soon to collapse. Will war break out, or can they stop it?
Old in an Era Meant for New
It started with a vote. In 1912, Champ Clark, the nominee for the Democratic Party presidential campaign, won two-thirds of the vote on the vote of Williams Jennings Bryan, who broke the voting deadlock of over forty ballots, most of which went to Clark. This vote changed everything, as Clark maintained the party unity to support his campaign, which ended in the popular and electoral vote of Champ Clark as the 28th President of the United States of America.
"I, James Beauchamp Clark, do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States."
Almost immediately after the elections, Clark instituted a policy of increased isolationism in late 1912, especially against the Europeans, who seemed to be gathering tensions over Europe. Finally, in 1914, when war broke out, an extreme isolationist United States offered only munitions and cotton to the participants. When a blockade was issued by both Britain and Germany, Clark responded by sending armed escorts with the commercial ships, while docking in a neutral Norway. Both nations, not wanting to go to war with the industrious and mercantile nation, reluctantly allowed the ships to pass by. This only went to prolong stalemates in the West, and increase German power in the Eastern Front. However, as 1917 came around, the now militaristic regimes had to forcefully coerce the population to continue the war of attrition, only staying afloat by use of propaganda and conscription. This all ended when the Russian Empire collapsed and splintered into many different ideological groups, the Soviets in the West, the Tsarists in the East, the Menshiviks in the North and the Liberals in the South. Although Ludendorff and Hindenburg viewed this as a chance to regain momentum in the East, the Kaiser and other leaders of the European powers realized it was only a model for their own collapse if the war continues. This recognition led all to come together at the Convention of Bern, the capital of Switzerland. It resulted in a multitude of territorial changes, such as Germany gaining power in the East, but losing power in the colonies, France losing overall, Russia following up France as a major loser, and Britain gaining many colonies overseas. Meanwhile, Austria-Hungary is only held together by the economic and industrial help of Germany. Soon after, in 1937, a radical imperialistic Japan took advantage of the unstable situation in China to try their hand in conquering Chinese Manchuria. However, they did not take into account the the United States would step out of its isolationist shell to "protect American assets", evicting Japan from China and restricting them heavily, save for their position in Korea. About three years later, the situation over Europe seems glum as France rearms and readies for war under the banner of the First French National Socialist Party, a totalitarian government replacing the seemingly "weak" parliamentary monarchy. Germany, an economic world leader, looks on with worry at not only France but the Soviets in the East, where they have been supplying the collapsing Mensheviks for quite awhile through smuggling, hoping to strengthen their only hope at deterring any thoughts of Soviet invasion of former territory, including German-controlled Poland. Austria-Hungary faces secret Soviet support of rebellions in the puppetized Serbia and other less-loyal parts of the empire. Britain seems unsure as to join sides in the political situation,either France or Germany, as old habits die hard. Meanwhile, Tsarist, Democratic and Soviet Russia, the first two already occupying territory of the Mensheviks, seem ready to go to war yet again after an unstable treaty ending the Civil War signed in 1921 seems ready to be broken. Japan is still bitter against the U.S. over the harsh repercussions of the so-called Manchurian Conflict, and those feelings may soon be shown. It is now 1940 and the Menshevik state is soon to collapse. Will war break out, or can they stop it?
Prussia is commie (Stalinist dictatorship, I presume?). But what is Germany's system of government? Nazism? Republic? Monarchy? How stable?
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Several more questions:
1. Who are all the communist leaders? Matyas Rakósi in Hungary is possible in 1925, as is (likely) Nicolae Ceausescu in Romania. But who leads Poland, Prussia, Bulgaria and Slovakia (Karel Gottwald?)? Prussia may be Ernst Thälmann?
2. Is Yugoslavia communist in any way? If so, is it Titoist? If not, what system does it have? Is Albania Hoxhaist?
3. Is East Prussia TTLs Israel? And if yes, is it governed by David Ben Gurion? If it is indeed Israel, is there any *Palestine to it, or does it have no problems with neighbours hating it?
Certainly some of the deeper deposits would be out of reach for a time - but 17th century mining technology would almost certainly be sufficient to extract some of the deposits closer to the surface (a decent number of Gold bearing reefs start at the surface then slope downwards at a moderate incline). Mining will probably be extremely dangerous - though I suspect the Portuguese would force natives to undertake that task
0. The rest of Germany is governed by the Kaiser, who was quickly returned to the thrown by England to try to rally Germany against the communists.
1.I hadn't really thought about that, just assume whoever is in charge of that countries' communist party/ prominent communist from that area.
2. Yugoslavia, called South Slavia, is a monarchy similar to OTL pre WWII Yugoslavia, of which Albania is a part of.
3. No, it is part of Prussia
Right. You do realise that Albania is not in fact Slavic, has no strong cultural ties to the remainder of the region, and in fact fought against Serbia on a number of occasions?
I know, but I read somewhere that there were attempts to incorporate it, but I could be wrong.
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