Yeah, that's basically what I tried to have happen, an alt Paris commune. I'm most dissatisfied with what happened with the Ottomans, didn't really know what to do with them, so I had them fall apart and into British hands. Kinda wish I knew what to do with Bulgaria besides a superwank.
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Yeah, that's basically what I tried to have happen, an alt Paris commune. I'm most dissatisfied with what happened with the Ottomans, didn't really know what to do with them, so I had them fall apart and into British hands. Kinda wish I knew what to do with Bulgaria besides a superwank.
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Over the course of the next year Bruchmann's Germany continued to build up its military might, as the French people grew accustomed to their new government. In the Far East, however, things were not so rosy. The Imperial Japanese, taking advantage of the French weakness, sailed for Saigon and Hanoi and effectively overran French Indochina in a matter of weeks. A tense standoff emerged between the British, in Malaya and the Philippines (which they took from the Americans after the Revolution of 1933), and the Japanese. This standoff ended in the winter of 1941, when Japanese forces launched simultaneous attacks on the Philippines and British Hawaii, beginning the Pacific War. Over the course of the next few years, Japanese forces pushed through the Philippines, overthrew a pro-British Thai monarchy in a coup, and thrust into Burma and Malaya. On June 9, 1942, the Japanese began their invasion of Hawaii.
In the Atlantic, the AFSR Navy landed in the French Caribbean, seizing St. Barthelemay, Guadeloupe, and Marinique, before pressing on to occupy Cayenne and the rest of French Guiana. using Cayenne as the capital of the People's Republic of France, under the leadership of Jaques Duclos, who was the highest-ranking member of the PCF to escape France. From there, the AFSR navy sailed to Fernando Po and the Canary Islands, seizing the former over the course of a week and the latter in a monthlong Island hopping campaign. From there the AFSR landed in Spanish Sahara, pushing north into Morocco and Algeria over the fall and winter of 1942-1943. As Oran fell in February of 1943, and a final push to Tunis was being prepared, the AFSR finally brokered a deal with Whitehall over the AFSR Navy being allowed to pass by Gibraltar unmolested (the AFSR had previously attempted to avoid direct confrontation with Britain, so as to avoid adding the Royal navy to the Franco-German and Italian naval forces resisting them).
The catalyst for this was the thing that finally soured the previously positive and later ambivalent view the British public had of Heinz Bruchmann. As Bruchmann tightened control over Poland and Lithuania, he also made entreaties with the Latvian, Estonian, and Finnish governments, souring relations with Russia. Meanwhile, under Bruchmann's directions, the increasingly German-dominated government of Polish stripped Belorussian and Ukrainian of their recognition and banned instruction in those languages in schools, and extolled to students the virtues of the old days of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. In December of 1942, Bruchmann brokered a deal with the Finnish government that would place German troops in Finland to protect them from an increasingly belligerent Russia. In January, Latvia, Estonia, and Finland all announced their intention to join the European Collective Security Alliance. Outraged at this intrusion into their backyard, on March 17th, as German troops set up bases in Finland and the Baltics, Russia invaded the Baltics and Finland. As these places fell, German troops began amassing in Poland and Romania, and in late April, just as the Spring Rasputitsa came to an end, they began an invasion of Russia. Over the summer, the greater part of the ECSA's armies pushed into Russia, as Minsk, Kiev, Somolensk, and Petrograd fell to the invaders. AS they did so, they enlisted the assistance of Ukrainian and Belorussian nationalists in building their new Eastern Europe. Bruchmann paused that Fall, forcing the Russians to launch their counteroffensive at the height of the Fall Rasputitsa, and in November they resumed the offensive, now equipped with enormous quantities of winter gear that had been prepared over the course of the previous summer. Better-prepared than any invading army since the Mongols, the Wehrmacht and the other ECSA allies pushed towards Moscow and Tsartsyn, then pushing south towards the oilfields of the Caspian sea once those places had been captured. On December 27th, 1943, Russia surrendered to Germany. On New Year's eve, however, things would change, as Operation Gracchus began in the Mediterranean, and American troops landed in the Belearics and Sardinia.
In the Atlantic, the AFSR Navy landed in the French Caribbean, seizing St. Barthelemay, Guadeloupe, and Marinique, before pressing on to occupy Cayenne and the rest of French Guiana. using Cayenne as the capital of the People's Republic of France, under the leadership of Jaques Duclos, who was the highest-ranking member of the PCF to escape France. From there, the AFSR navy sailed to Fernando Po and the Canary Islands, seizing the former over the course of a week and the latter in a monthlong Island hopping campaign. From there the AFSR landed in Spanish Sahara, pushing north into Morocco and Algeria over the fall and winter of 1942-1943. As Oran fell in February of 1943, and a final push to Tunis was being prepared, the AFSR finally brokered a deal with Whitehall over the AFSR Navy being allowed to pass by Gibraltar unmolested (the AFSR had previously attempted to avoid direct confrontation with Britain, so as to avoid adding the Royal navy to the Franco-German and Italian naval forces resisting them).
The catalyst for this was the thing that finally soured the previously positive and later ambivalent view the British public had of Heinz Bruchmann. As Bruchmann tightened control over Poland and Lithuania, he also made entreaties with the Latvian, Estonian, and Finnish governments, souring relations with Russia. Meanwhile, under Bruchmann's directions, the increasingly German-dominated government of Polish stripped Belorussian and Ukrainian of their recognition and banned instruction in those languages in schools, and extolled to students the virtues of the old days of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. In December of 1942, Bruchmann brokered a deal with the Finnish government that would place German troops in Finland to protect them from an increasingly belligerent Russia. In January, Latvia, Estonia, and Finland all announced their intention to join the European Collective Security Alliance. Outraged at this intrusion into their backyard, on March 17th, as German troops set up bases in Finland and the Baltics, Russia invaded the Baltics and Finland. As these places fell, German troops began amassing in Poland and Romania, and in late April, just as the Spring Rasputitsa came to an end, they began an invasion of Russia. Over the summer, the greater part of the ECSA's armies pushed into Russia, as Minsk, Kiev, Somolensk, and Petrograd fell to the invaders. AS they did so, they enlisted the assistance of Ukrainian and Belorussian nationalists in building their new Eastern Europe. Bruchmann paused that Fall, forcing the Russians to launch their counteroffensive at the height of the Fall Rasputitsa, and in November they resumed the offensive, now equipped with enormous quantities of winter gear that had been prepared over the course of the previous summer. Better-prepared than any invading army since the Mongols, the Wehrmacht and the other ECSA allies pushed towards Moscow and Tsartsyn, then pushing south towards the oilfields of the Caspian sea once those places had been captured. On December 27th, 1943, Russia surrendered to Germany. On New Year's eve, however, things would change, as Operation Gracchus began in the Mediterranean, and American troops landed in the Belearics and Sardinia.
who said it was the US?
Sad to say, but when people say "American troops" they rarely refer to Canadians. But perhaps things differ the next TL over.
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[1] The American Federal Socialist Republic, actually[2]Ah, so Nazis lite.
Defending their fraternal socialist brothers (and spreading the revolution abroad). [2] In a way, Bruchmann is supposed to be the opposite of Hitler. His goals are realistic, he believes in fighting one fight at a time, and he has no racial animosity at all- he even claims that since Yiddish is similar to German, that must make Eastern European Jews closeted Germans. What makes Bruchmann so dangerous is that he's hyperlogical and can charm a snake out of its skin. You notice how he manipulates Russia into striking first, and makes very sure that his adversaries are either dependent on him (like the French Junta), or entirely isolated, like Russia. His one folly is that he's a gambler, and has a very high opinion of his own brilliance, and expects the world to continue to fear Communism more than it fears him (he boasts that Britain will soon join his side, with the Red Menace (TM) island hopping to Spain. While his assurances of peace to Russia are entirely false, he's completely earnest when he says that so long as Britain doesn't interfere in continental affairs they can coexist as equals, and is mystified when the British public doesn't believe him.
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Not to be too intrusive, but are there any more comments on my map? I worked very hard on it and thought it looked pretty good.
Not to be too intrusive, but are there any more comments on my map? I worked very hard on it and thought it looked pretty good.
Yes. Yes it does.
Not sure what else to say: the color scheme is nice...are there any other visible differences from OTL besides the lack of a Saar occupation and the larger Austria?
Alternate map of Europe. I haven´t really thought of a timeline for this. It started with some ideas of alternate division of the Nordic countries, combined with a lasting Lothringia consisting of Benelux, Alsasse Lorraine plus some German cities in the "city belt" and parts of Switzerland. I also divided Switzerland between various powers. I thought about giving Constantinople/Istanbul to Russia. but ended up with a larger Greece. Poland has been given back much eastern territories, but keeps areas in the west given after WW2. Portugal disappears. The UK becomes a republic (UR) and keeps Ireland. Bulgaria joins Yugoslavia. Austria gets part of southern Germany and Saxony continues as a power in northern Germany. Finland gets Estonia plus the St. Petersburg area. Sweden loses some territory but also get some new areas. Iceland, the Faroe Islands and Shetland becomes part of Norway. Trondheim is a new Scandinavian country, consisting of the Norwegian areas around the city of Trondheim (older name: Nidaros) plus Jämtland county in Sweden. Lappland in the north is also a new country. Denmark gets back areas in Southern Sweden plus parts of northern Germany.
Just your basic Central Powers victory. Nicholas II and his family escaped their OTL executions at Bolshevik hands, and the White Armies managed to carve out a Tsarist rump state with St. Petersburg as the capital. I realize outright annexation of Belgium and the Netherlands is a bit improbable.
Yeah. Ottomans still collapse due to internal pressures, Austria-Hungary and Germany decide that carving up the former Empire and installing puppet regimes is easier than trying to keep together the crumbling Caliphate.
Here we see a Soviet wank of ridiculous proportions.
This follows an ATL WWII, which was fought between the USSR and most of Europe. Unfortunately, socialist sympathies amongst the war-weary people of the continent cause the war to go much worse for the allies than anticipated.
Austria is annexed into Germany both due to much nationalist sentiment, and to strengthen the German state, which is widely viewed as Europe's great buffer against Bolshevism.
The Republics within the USSR you may not recognize are the Prussian SSR, the Kurdistani SSR, Finnish SSR, Slovakian SSR, Swedish SSR, Baltic SSR, Saami SSR, and Norwegian SSR.
Why would Greece be given Constantinople? Logically should be given to a CP like Bulgaria and Greece should get the still ethnically Greek Ionia if the Ottomans collapsed due to nationalist pressure.
Your Sami SSR includes over 200,000 ethnic Swedes, and even more Norwegians, who are going to outnumber the actual Sami to a comically large extent. This is the equivalent of having a Navajo SSR in a hypothetical Communist US and having it include all of Arizona and New Mexico.
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if Britain is not engaged in a war anywhere else, surely they would hold much better against the Japanese than otl (which seems to be considered a bit of a brit-screw)
A question to Iggies. I noticed that there were many many county divisions in your maps. Did you use a base map or something when you made it? I have tried to come across good maps of Europe with subdivisions in different countries. Subdivisions are very relevant when making alternate maps.
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