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After Bruce’s evil comments, :p
I went back and made a world map for the same time, same scenario. The PoD is that the CSA wins the Civil War and also wins a war with Mexico, taking several Mexican provinces. However, the US retakes these provinces and Tennessee, Arkansas, and Kentucky. Texas withdrew when the other states wanted a share of its oil revenues, forming the Republic of Texas. The US treats the CSA as a colony, and controls its economy. Because of a rebellion in the South shortly after receiving the Zimmerman telegram, the US goes to war with the South instead of the Central Powers, causing them to win the war. Germany wins its Mittelafrica, but is strained by holding up both Austria and the Ottomans. They revoke Emperor Charles IV’s title, giving it to Karl. They in effect say “No annexing until you are more stable.” Karl forms the United States of Greater Austria, which has a Congress like the US’s, a prime minister to deal with national issues, and the emperor at the top, to deal with foreign policy and wars. This restructuring of the Government is accompanied by large-scale industrialisation. By 1926, the USGA is strong enough to annex parts of Rumania, Montenegro, and Albania, as originally planned. However, Karl suggests annexing all of Rumania and the coal-rich northern provinces of Serbia, leaving Albania. His plan is enacted, and by 1927, they are integrated into the Republic. However, the Germans’ attention to Austria costs them in Africa and the Middle East, where the Ottoman Empire loses land in the Arabian peninsula and they are forced to let German East Africa go as a free state. In the Pacific, Japan controls all German and French possessions, and has spheres of influence over much of China. Mongolia and Tibet are technically part of China, but are more or less independent states. The Dutch lose control of the East Indies, and watch them get divided between Britain and Japan.
The credit for the base map goes to Thande’s Messed up 1905 map series
If there is anything I didn't mention that is on the map, let me know.
COMMENT! :p:rolleyes::D

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2: 1960

-Argentinia and Chile got dragged into the Chaco War
-2nd Jap.-Chin. War left Korea divided
-Coup attemp and following short civil war 1931-32 lead to Admiral Koltschak taking power in Russia. Finnland and Poland seced during the war the rest of the socialist-secesionist alliance is defeated.
-First wave of anticolonialist unrest, mainly in Asia (sponsored by China).
-The French socialist goverments decides to negotiate after a short fruitless military campaign. Indochina becomes independent in 1958, several of the African colonnies are upgraded to autonomus republics.
-Britains Tory goverment tries a mixed approach: Duking it out in the heaviliy militarized "Frontier Provinces", while self-goverment is gradualy introduced in the "Secure Provinces".
In Africa self-goverment is also extended. Gold-Coast, the first "Black" Dominion is a success, but granting dominion status to Kenias white settlers provokes an uprising.
-Germany experiments with "Koloniallandtagen" in S-W, Kamerun and East-Africa
-France and Italy withdraw from the Levante in 1955, leaving only the costal republics esthablished and guranteed by the French behind.
-UK annexes its Levantine holdings and merges it with neighbouring possessions.
-Only Germany stays, now paying a small "rent" and promoting Jewish settlement in its occupation zone.
-The Ottomans expirience trobles with arab rebels that they had themselfs promoted in the past
-The 4th Saudi state is established in Cnetral Arabia.

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3: 1980
-most of the autonomus republics left the French Community and formed the African Union, but a few choose to remain with France.
-After Austrlia, Eire and Canada leave the Commonwealth in protest, the British goverment decides to end the unwinable struggle for India. power is handed over to moderate Indian leaders, that are quickly lossing ground to the advancing Indian Liberation Army.
-Weary of war the UK decides also to withdraw from most of its remaining colonies. only the oil-rich Arabian protectorates and New Foundland, more or less regarded as part of the home nations are to be kept.
-British withdrawl from Malaysia is also the final nail into the coffin of Dutch-Indonesia.
-Pressure on recently independent British colonies to join the AU
-Russia returns to democray in 1980, several smaller states become independent

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4: World Today
-India and China fought a short border war when India invaded Tibet.
-Landhungry Indonesia invaded Australia in 1998. The UK refuses to assist, but the USA prevent a total Australian defeat and enforce a partitioning of the continent.
-South Africa split into a black and a withe & colored state but relations are somewhat cordial
-Nobody can tell when A-H ceasded to exist. There were a few milestones like when Galicia seceded to join Poland, but in general it just gradually vanished. More & More power was transfered to the states until one day people realised that it wasn't a nation anymore but several, sharing the same monarch.
-france finally split Algeria and deported anybody unwilling tosign an oath of allignance
-Italy integrated its colonies into the motherland in 1992
-Germany integrated Togo, Südwest and some smaller holdings, while Israel, Kamerun and Gold Coast (that needed a protector when England left) are associated states.
-Keeping the Kongo and gradualy giving the Kongolese full suffrage was a strategy of the Francophone elite to keep the Flemish at bay.

Due to the absence of world wars and longer colonisation many states are more ethnical diverse than OTL.
Nigeria style brawls and ETA style secessionisz movements are widespread but in most countries they are seen as unavoidable troubles that people have to live with.

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Susano

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Oh come on. The Boat Peoples Caliphate?:rolleyes:

Also if Austria is reduced to German Austria - well, Id very much think German Austria would join Germany.
 

archaeogeek

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I was to lazy to draw more realistic borders, so I blame it on more immigration, population transfer form Rhodesia and an army of butterflies.

You would have to have an army group of them for white rhodesians to even make a 2% dent in the demographics of greater Lesotho :p
 
This is a series of maps for a no-worldwars timeline.
Inspired by the discussion on the "Which empires can survive thread".
I apologize for some similarities with Thandes last maps, they were unavoidable.

-After misharvests and scandals there is a mostly unbloody revolution in Russia in 1925. When the Tzar realises that even the army and nobility are against him he and his familiy leave the country.


A lot of the Russian nobility is hellofa conservative, and would never stand for a republic (and a lot of them are _running_ the army). Best case for a non-bloody revolution we get a constitutional monarchy with the Tsar stepping down for a less controversial relative.

-As an echo to the russian revolution there are uprisings in the Ottoman Empire.
Wahabite Fanatics overrun most of Arabia and Palestine and Demolish the Basilica of the Sepulchre
Russia is to busy to intervene but the European powers step in. They defeat the Wahabites and force the Ottomans to accept an permanent Occupation of the Levante. Arabia is reorganized into moderate Emirates.


Wahabbi get their asses kicked by the by now fairly modern Ottoman empire, and I doubt they would go around destroying major Christian monuments: the family of Saud aren't that stupid. Arab revolt against "Turkization" policies I can buy, with the great powers intervening greedily, but I don't see the dirt-poor desert brigands of 1925 being more than a nuisace. Also, those occupied areas in Turkey proper? That's going to require a bloody, expensive invasion.

-Encouraged by the UK Kuwait annexes Southern Mesopotamia and leases it to British Petrol.


The Shia south Iraquis aren't going to be happy, and the Kuwaitis are probably gonna be pretty dependent on the British army to hold onto the place...:D

Thumbs up on the rest!

Bruce
 
The Teutonic (or Prussian) Empire, early 16th century.

A historically never physically would happened empire. Unless the Teutons where very lucky that Poland-Lithuanian never was unified. A new type of Christianity formed after the reform of the Teutonic Order. After the break away with the catholic church.

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Yes I know very unrealistic at the least, but in some obscure dimension it probably excised.
 


Less to complain about here...

-2nd Jap.-Chin. War left Korea divided.


I'd put 1960 as being around the _earliest_ the Chinese could be strong enough to inflict such a major defeat on Japan, unless the Russians came in on the Chinese side: perhaps move it up to 1970 or so?

And I agree with Susano re Austria...

Bruce
 
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4: World Today
-India and China fought a short border war when India invaded Tibet.

China, with decades of modernization uninterrupted by legnthy Japanese occupations or maoist wacky ideas, kicks the ass of rather-longer-colonized, wracked-by-long-revolutionary-struggle India. India does not annex any of Tibet (indeed, in the map they annex most of the actual Tibetans).

-Landhungry Indonesia invaded Australia in 1998. The UK refuses to assist, but the USA prevent a total Australian defeat and enforce a partitioning of the continent.


Cool, but unlikely: Australia, especially western Australia, is a crappy area to get if you need agricultural land.If the US intervenes on Aussie behalf, they will kick Indonesian butt: it is not in US character that we reward the unprovoked agression of dark-skinned people against white people. That is if Indonesia is going to be able to handle invading in the first place: with an extended colonial struggle Indonesia is likely to be poorer than OTL, and although they might have more guns and men under arms, will they be able to handle the rather difficult logistics? (OTL Indonesia, BTW, has about 40% Australia's GNP)

-South Africa split into a black and a withe & colored state but relations are somewhat cordial

That has been covered...

-Nobody can tell when A-H ceasded to exist. There were a few milestones like when Galicia seceded to join Poland, but in general it just gradually vanished. More & More power was transfered to the states until one day people realised that it wasn't a nation anymore but several, sharing the same monarch.


Ok, but the previous map looks broken up already: you should have some changes to the 1980 map to show the "transitional" state. And I'd show them as some sort of confederation: they might still have a joint army and an EC-type economic relation, for instance. Or has Europe as a whole become fully integrated economically?

-france finally split Algeria and deported anybody unwilling tosign an oath of allignance

The map as shown is going to require mass ethnic cleansing...

Bruce
 
I'd put 1960 as being around the _earliest_ the Chinese could be strong enough to inflict such a major defeat on Japan, unless the Russians came in on the Chinese side: perhaps move it up to 1970 or so?

Also, seriously disrespecting Austria-Hungary: you don't even bother to mention how and when it broke up. (And I agree with Susano)

Bruce

Nice Map, Uriel, but with Austria-Hungary, you think it would have broken up a lot more violently. Both Austria and Hungary will try to keep all the land they can, and with revolting subject nationalities, I think we're gonna see a lot more violence and a lot less melding into the sunset.
 
I also have some doubt as to Hungary seizing Austrian Bukovina yet leaving Slovakia alone. The Poles, Russians, and Romanians would have a fair deal of interest around that area. The Hungarians might wish to consider a coastline.
 

Krall

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After Bruce’s evil comments, :p
I went back and made a world map for the same time, same scenario. The PoD is that the CSA wins the Civil War and also wins a war with Mexico, taking several Mexican provinces. However, the US retakes these provinces and Tennessee, Arkansas, and Kentucky. Texas withdrew when the other states wanted a share of its oil revenues, forming the Republic of Texas. The US treats the CSA as a colony, and controls its economy. Because of a rebellion in the South shortly after receiving the Zimmerman telegram, the US goes to war with the South instead of the Central Powers, causing them to win the war. Germany wins its Mittelafrica, but is strained by holding up both Austria and the Ottomans. They revoke Emperor Charles IV’s title, giving it to Karl. They in effect say “No annexing until you are more stable.” Karl forms the United States of Greater Austria, which has a Congress like the US’s, a prime minister to deal with national issues, and the emperor at the top, to deal with foreign policy and wars. This restructuring of the Government is accompanied by large-scale industrialisation. By 1926, the USGA is strong enough to annex parts of Rumania, Montenegro, and Albania, as originally planned. However, Karl suggests annexing all of Rumania and the coal-rich northern provinces of Serbia, leaving Albania. His plan is enacted, and by 1927, they are integrated into the Republic. However, the Germans’ attention to Austria costs them in Africa and the Middle East, where the Ottoman Empire loses land in the Arabian peninsula and they are forced to let German East Africa go as a free state. In the Pacific, Japan controls all German and French possessions, and has spheres of influence over much of China. Mongolia and Tibet are technically part of China, but are more or less independent states. The Dutch lose control of the East Indies, and watch them get divided between Britain and Japan.
The credit for the base map goes to Thande’s Messed up 1905 map series
If there is anything I didn't mention that is on the map, let me know.
COMMENT! :p:rolleyes::D

There are two major things you need to fix concerning this map. Firstly, there is a large, white area around the map itself that needs to be cropped in order to reduce the image to being the map itself. Secondly, the map appears to have been stretched haphazardly and disproportionately, which makes it offensive to the eyes.

If you solve these two problems then your map would be much easier on the eye.
 
APOLOGY

Of late and in an Un-Christmassy way, I have been rather harsh and nitpicky on people's map scenarios and may have even implied racism when there was none (sorry, Thande): so I am making a New Year's Resolution to follow the maxim of saying nothing when I don't have anything nice to say. After all, this is a map thread, not a timeline thread, and I should not consume bandwith with arguments re the probability of the map scenario.

Bruce

PS - unless the poster asks for criticism, in which case, beware.
 

Thande

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APOLOGY

Of late and in an Un-Christmassy way, I have been rather harsh and nitpicky on people's map scenarios and may have even implied racism when there was none (sorry, Thande): so I am making a New Year's Resolution to follow the maxim of saying nothing when I don't have anything nice to say. After all, this is a map thread, not a timeline thread, and I should not consume bandwith with arguments re the probability of the map scenario.

Bruce

PS - unless the poster asks for criticism, in which case, beware.

Heh, that's all right. Besides, it was about Japan, which doesn't count :p
 
APOLOGY

Of late and in an Un-Christmassy way, I have been rather harsh and nitpicky on people's map scenarios and may have even implied racism when there was none (sorry, Thande): so I am making a New Year's Resolution to follow the maxim of saying nothing when I don't have anything nice to say. After all, this is a map thread, not a timeline thread, and I should not consume bandwith with arguments re the probability of the map scenario.

Bruce

PS - unless the poster asks for criticism, in which case, beware.
Oh... Hi Krall. :)
 
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