But Yugoslavia is basically OTL, and Greece was having financial troubles and so the communists got elected (not necessarily in for good either). As for Turkey, do you think it would go to war over the Kurdish insurgency?
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But Yugoslavia is basically OTL, and Greece was having financial troubles and so the communists got elected (not necessarily in for good either). As for Turkey, do you think it would go to war over the Kurdish insurgency?
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May as well post these.
Maps from my upcoming story Superpowered Superpowers, using the new basemap:
1940:
And 1970:
Maps from my upcoming story Superpowered Superpowers, using the new basemap:
1940:
And 1970:
Why do Travancore, Hyderbad, Southern India?, the Sister States, Greater Bengal,Mysore, Mahastra?, and Baluchistan get Independance, when Khalistan is Entirely left out?
OTOH, is Communist Kurdistan worth the trouble?
Bruce
Well the PKK was originally communist OTL.
Do you draw the whole country though, or take a pre-existing map and draw over it?
I'm thinking of starting a series of maps... Starting with this one. Should I continue? Also, is this map ASB in any way (The POD was in the 1400s, keep in mind.)??? (Zubiria is America, btw.) But trust me, i didn't mean to make a Hungary-wank this time, it just happened!
I'd say it's ASB in every way. Restored Roman Empire? British conquest of the Aztecs? Aragon-Galicia that conquered the Incas after either crossing both the rainforest and the Andes or going all the way around South America? Monster Persian Empire reaching all the way to Ukraine? Hungarian colonies? Ay caramba sennor.
EDIT: Prussia becoming powerful with a 1400s POD? Prussia colonizing?
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Just change the color, and voila! It's some sort of Ottoman Empire.
Why not? Horrible plagues are things all Europeans have in their arsenal of inadvertancy.
Er, maybe they used to hold Panama and the Castilians took it from them?
Perhaps it's a Timurid successor state, thus eliminating the Sunni-Shia conflict thingy? (Anyhoo, I think the problems involved in Shi'a expansion may have been overstated: didn't prevent the Shi'a Fatimids from ruling mostly Sunni Egypt for a good bit).
Now here I have no excuses,
given the two potentially hostile chokepoints any Hungarian shipping has to get through to get to the Ocean.Er, perhaps it's *Prussia?
Bruce
Just change the color, and voila! It's some sort of Ottoman Empire.
I don't think that's what was intended
Why not? Horrible plagues are things all Europeans have in their arsenal of inadvertancy.
Spain or Portugal were pretty much destined to be the ones to conquer Mesoamerica. Due to ocean and wind currents, it is far easier for Spain or Portugal to reach... well, anything south of Florida, than it is for Britain or France to reach anything in the Americas at all. That's why Portugal and Spain were the first, and most proliferous, colonizers.
Er, maybe they used to hold Panama and the Castilians took it from them?
I guess that would make sense.
Perhaps it's a Timurid successor state, thus eliminating the Sunni-Shia conflict thingy? (Anyhoo, I think the problems involved in Shi'a expansion may have been overstated: didn't prevent the Shi'a Fatimids from ruling mostly Sunni Egypt for a good bit).
Ah, maybe. But the 1400s seem too late for any big power centered in Persia or Central Asia. The age of big Muslim empires, other than the Ottomans, looks like it was done by that point. I guess ImmortalImpi, that persa hijo de puta, would know more though.
Now here I have no excuses,
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Er, perhaps it's *Prussia?
Butterfly effect. Prussia was extremely lucky in OTL. I don't think it'd be Prussia who united the area in an ATL.
Wait what do you mean by the *?
Bruce
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I feel honoured Zuvarq, but I think Mirza knows more than me after the Samanids.
Still, unless we're talking Timurids, i can't see it holding. Even then if one of the PoDs is a surviving Timur, he wanted to attack the Ming. Naturally, attacking the Ming could be the end of him if it wasn't a disease; the man was very old.
Even then the empire could not survive so long unless blessed with an immortal Timur or someone nearly as capable as him. I see rebellions but those would have happened quite long ago, I think. As soon as Timur died the empire disinigrated. Assuming stable succession his successors would still have to deal with constant rebellions.
I think the best way to get into the Ukraine is for Timur to finish conquering Georgia then attack the Golden Horde. Actually, The golden Horde was unstable at this time. He could do it.
With that in mind I think that Timur would need to live another 20 years or so to complete conquests of this scale. This also assumes that the Turks would collapse completely after the Interregnum, something that is hard. Even if torn apart by civil war a Turkish sultanate based in the Balkans will still be stronger than the Byzantines.The Byzantines are extremely weak at this point. Anatolia is lost and by virtue the remainder of the Empire's manpower.
Persia still has a chance but an empire of this scale is hard. You can have Delhi or the Don Basin, but not one or the other. For a delhi based empire Nader Shah is your best bet as explored in a recent B_munro map/scenario.
Still, unless we're talking Timurids, i can't see it holding. Even then if one of the PoDs is a surviving Timur, he wanted to attack the Ming. Naturally, attacking the Ming could be the end of him if it wasn't a disease; the man was very old.
Even then the empire could not survive so long unless blessed with an immortal Timur or someone nearly as capable as him. I see rebellions but those would have happened quite long ago, I think. As soon as Timur died the empire disinigrated. Assuming stable succession his successors would still have to deal with constant rebellions.
I think the best way to get into the Ukraine is for Timur to finish conquering Georgia then attack the Golden Horde. Actually, The golden Horde was unstable at this time. He could do it.
With that in mind I think that Timur would need to live another 20 years or so to complete conquests of this scale. This also assumes that the Turks would collapse completely after the Interregnum, something that is hard. Even if torn apart by civil war a Turkish sultanate based in the Balkans will still be stronger than the Byzantines.The Byzantines are extremely weak at this point. Anatolia is lost and by virtue the remainder of the Empire's manpower.
Persia still has a chance but an empire of this scale is hard. You can have Delhi or the Don Basin, but not one or the other. For a delhi based empire Nader Shah is your best bet as explored in a recent B_munro map/scenario.
By *Prussia I mean some other northeast-German state.
1400's the end of the era of large Islamic empires? Aside from the Ottomans, what are the Mughals? Chopped liver?
And Spain, aside being favorably positioned geographically, was also the core of the most powerful empire in Europe at the time. If they said "this is ours", who was to contradict them? A fragmented/still at war with the Muslims Spain might not be able to protect American claims from other European powers.
Bruce
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