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who is this CyberSlavik you speak of? is he like a more electronic version of me or something?
anyways, its a nice map, very alternate indeed.
A world in which Germany won a quick World War I (inspired by Ferguson’s “The Kaiser’s European Union.”)
It’s 2007, and there’s a bit of a feeling of discontent in Germany, which now finds itself the world’s fourth largest power in terms of GNP. True, they’re still a more influential country that Japan, but it’s a bit of a downer. Perhaps they should have intervened in Russia during the 1950’s crisis? Or tried to bring East-central Europe into a tighter union? In any event, no point in crying over spilt milk. Largely post-imperial (although still exerting a lot of influence in ex-German Africa) and pretty democratic – the Kaiser is almost as much a figurehead nowadays as the British monarch – Germany still is the dominant power of Europe west of Russia, but it’s been a while since it’s been really politically feasible to use the stick rather than the carrot.
The European Union is stuck at roughly 1980’s EEC levels of unification – anything tighter is seen as a German Plot For Domination – and the French, while still retaining their economic ties with the rest of Europe, are trying to put together their own club of nations, in the form of the interest group/chowder and marching society known as the ”Latin league”. This is annoying, but after ’23, ’39, and ’65, it has become gospel in German politics that as long as they don’t try to obtain their own nuclear arsenal, the French should be allowed to go to hell their own way.
Russia is the rising power, having made a painful transition from Czarist rule to one-party rule to functional, if rather turbulent and corrupt democracy. If they can avoid simmering separatism from going to a boil, (they’ve already had to give some autonomy to the poor and mostly Muslim provinces of South Turkestan) they have a chance of catching up with the US sometime in the next century. Russian orthodox televangelists, governments about as long-lasting as those of Third Republic France, and almost as many automobiles as the US (Russia, rich in oil and with lots of vast open spaces, has embraced the open road as living standards have gone up).
The Japanese Empire, having finally pulled out of Manchuria in the 80’s, is holding on grimly to Korea in the 10th year of the “emergency.” Although a modern country, it’s a poorer, far more militarized, and much less cutesey nation than OTL. Relations with the Chinese republic (one-party nationalist regime not much nicer than Saddam’s Iraq. But being screwed over by the Russians and the Japanese for three decades will sour any nation) are…poor. A loud youth movement, puzzlingly lacking in wa and respect for the samurai tradition, is making a lot of fuss over the Korean situation.
The British Commonwealth is still afloat, but the Grand Project to create a federated Empire to counterbalance the Germans bogged down in the 60’s due to acrimonious disagreements over who was to pay the bills, Indian notions that it’s majority share of population entitled it to a bigger voice, and the Canadian “well, we can always hide in the shadow of the US, can’t we?” escape clause. Still, there remain ties closer than OTL, and presently forces from the UK, India, and elsewhere are hunkered down in the Persian Gulf, to forestall any further Turkish efforts at “regaining stolen territories.” (The successful grab of Kuwait in the 90’s left serious egg on the Commonwealth’s collective face).
The US is still the largest economy on earth, although the Russians are closer than anybody has been since the start of the 20th century. A bit less populous than OTL (no baby boom, and although the immigration pipeline stayed open longer than OTL, it also took longer to reopen when closed) and with rather worse racial problems, it does have a somewhat sturdier social safety net (put together in fits and starts over half a century. There was a depression of sorts, but not the global catastrophe of OTL) and although it has a rich tradition of political corruption, the truly vicious Democrat-Republican split of OTL does not exist. (For one thing, it’s the Republicans which are the party of civil rights for minorities).
Although the US hasn’t been in an important war since the Spanish-American one, it is not truly an isolationist country: it maintains close ties with the Commonwealth, aggressively backs free trade and US corporate interests world-wide, and maintains a keen interest in keeping up technologically and militarily with the Joneses (especially since the Germans detonated the world’s first atom bomb in 1953). And, of course, it keeps a close eye on it’s Latin American front yard (French fishing in American waters, and it’s cozying up to such distinctly anti-American regimes as the Brazilian dictatorship, has not been received favorably).
There are presently something like eleven nuclear powers, and the lack of some sort of official forum to allow “jaw-jaw” rather than “war-war” has been felt, leading to the piecemeal development of various international organizations, agreements on international law, official annual big-power meets, etc. Various UN-like organizations have been proposed, but so far nobody has been able to agree on the details.
Africa, where colonization was delayed from OTL by 20-30 years, is more heavily industrialized and has more infrastructure and a somewhat better educated population than OTL, but it’s already had a crop of governments gone un-democratic, although it’s still too early to tell if things will go as badly. Angola is currently split in two squabbling halves, and German and Commonwealth forces are cooperating to maintain order in Rwanda-Urundi.
Communism never got a foothold in this TL, although there are a variety of socialist parties and various “left” regimes in Latin America and elsewhere. Perhaps in response to the environmental space left open, there are several powerful anarchist movements, although understandably none actually runs a country. Italy has a particularly active – and sometimes violent-one.
There was a sort of slow-motion space race of sorts as Bigger And Better rockets and near-orbital planes were developed in the wake of the Event of ’53, but sheer expense and the rather alarming difficulties in getting past the moon led to it’s tapering off by the 90’s, with the Japanese “show the flag” expedition to the moon in ’97 writing the coda. The US, Russia and Germany continue to mess around with near-earth stuff, and the idea of a Glorious Joint International Mission to Mars has been kicking around for a while, but the cost projections remain too alarming.
Bruce
It’s 2007, and there’s a bit of a feeling of discontent in Germany, which now finds itself the world’s fourth largest power in terms of GNP. True, they’re still a more influential country that Japan, but it’s a bit of a downer. Perhaps they should have intervened in Russia during the 1950’s crisis? Or tried to bring East-central Europe into a tighter union? In any event, no point in crying over spilt milk. Largely post-imperial (although still exerting a lot of influence in ex-German Africa) and pretty democratic – the Kaiser is almost as much a figurehead nowadays as the British monarch – Germany still is the dominant power of Europe west of Russia, but it’s been a while since it’s been really politically feasible to use the stick rather than the carrot.
The European Union is stuck at roughly 1980’s EEC levels of unification – anything tighter is seen as a German Plot For Domination – and the French, while still retaining their economic ties with the rest of Europe, are trying to put together their own club of nations, in the form of the interest group/chowder and marching society known as the ”Latin league”. This is annoying, but after ’23, ’39, and ’65, it has become gospel in German politics that as long as they don’t try to obtain their own nuclear arsenal, the French should be allowed to go to hell their own way.
Russia is the rising power, having made a painful transition from Czarist rule to one-party rule to functional, if rather turbulent and corrupt democracy. If they can avoid simmering separatism from going to a boil, (they’ve already had to give some autonomy to the poor and mostly Muslim provinces of South Turkestan) they have a chance of catching up with the US sometime in the next century. Russian orthodox televangelists, governments about as long-lasting as those of Third Republic France, and almost as many automobiles as the US (Russia, rich in oil and with lots of vast open spaces, has embraced the open road as living standards have gone up).
The Japanese Empire, having finally pulled out of Manchuria in the 80’s, is holding on grimly to Korea in the 10th year of the “emergency.” Although a modern country, it’s a poorer, far more militarized, and much less cutesey nation than OTL. Relations with the Chinese republic (one-party nationalist regime not much nicer than Saddam’s Iraq. But being screwed over by the Russians and the Japanese for three decades will sour any nation) are…poor. A loud youth movement, puzzlingly lacking in wa and respect for the samurai tradition, is making a lot of fuss over the Korean situation.
The British Commonwealth is still afloat, but the Grand Project to create a federated Empire to counterbalance the Germans bogged down in the 60’s due to acrimonious disagreements over who was to pay the bills, Indian notions that it’s majority share of population entitled it to a bigger voice, and the Canadian “well, we can always hide in the shadow of the US, can’t we?” escape clause. Still, there remain ties closer than OTL, and presently forces from the UK, India, and elsewhere are hunkered down in the Persian Gulf, to forestall any further Turkish efforts at “regaining stolen territories.” (The successful grab of Kuwait in the 90’s left serious egg on the Commonwealth’s collective face).
The US is still the largest economy on earth, although the Russians are closer than anybody has been since the start of the 20th century. A bit less populous than OTL (no baby boom, and although the immigration pipeline stayed open longer than OTL, it also took longer to reopen when closed) and with rather worse racial problems, it does have a somewhat sturdier social safety net (put together in fits and starts over half a century. There was a depression of sorts, but not the global catastrophe of OTL) and although it has a rich tradition of political corruption, the truly vicious Democrat-Republican split of OTL does not exist. (For one thing, it’s the Republicans which are the party of civil rights for minorities).
Although the US hasn’t been in an important war since the Spanish-American one, it is not truly an isolationist country: it maintains close ties with the Commonwealth, aggressively backs free trade and US corporate interests world-wide, and maintains a keen interest in keeping up technologically and militarily with the Joneses (especially since the Germans detonated the world’s first atom bomb in 1953). And, of course, it keeps a close eye on it’s Latin American front yard (French fishing in American waters, and it’s cozying up to such distinctly anti-American regimes as the Brazilian dictatorship, has not been received favorably).
There are presently something like eleven nuclear powers, and the lack of some sort of official forum to allow “jaw-jaw” rather than “war-war” has been felt, leading to the piecemeal development of various international organizations, agreements on international law, official annual big-power meets, etc. Various UN-like organizations have been proposed, but so far nobody has been able to agree on the details.
Africa, where colonization was delayed from OTL by 20-30 years, is more heavily industrialized and has more infrastructure and a somewhat better educated population than OTL, but it’s already had a crop of governments gone un-democratic, although it’s still too early to tell if things will go as badly. Angola is currently split in two squabbling halves, and German and Commonwealth forces are cooperating to maintain order in Rwanda-Urundi.
Communism never got a foothold in this TL, although there are a variety of socialist parties and various “left” regimes in Latin America and elsewhere. Perhaps in response to the environmental space left open, there are several powerful anarchist movements, although understandably none actually runs a country. Italy has a particularly active – and sometimes violent-one.
There was a sort of slow-motion space race of sorts as Bigger And Better rockets and near-orbital planes were developed in the wake of the Event of ’53, but sheer expense and the rather alarming difficulties in getting past the moon led to it’s tapering off by the 90’s, with the Japanese “show the flag” expedition to the moon in ’97 writing the coda. The US, Russia and Germany continue to mess around with near-earth stuff, and the idea of a Glorious Joint International Mission to Mars has been kicking around for a while, but the cost projections remain too alarming.
Bruce
A luverly map!
Any chance you might give us that rought TL? (Cordova is _not_ muslim, is it?)
Bruce
Many thanks\
Nice job with this map really good stuff
BTW I realy like how the Ukraine turned out
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A Europe map of my Britain one.
The Europe, 625 CE.
Now that is one really nice map it's not often that you get a map showing this side of europe
After looking at the Pax atlantica thrad in ASB, I wouldn't mind seeing a map showing a Pax Trojan empire, or a Pax Mycenean Greek Empire, it could be some thing really interesting.
Continuation wales has become a Dominion and the Nederlands has also joined.
Obeserve Scotland and Northen Ireland are also dominions
Obeserve Scotland and Northen Ireland are also dominions
It is very nice except for some colours looking alike.
Good timeline and map.
Very nice. Rare basemap.
Oh shi- sorry man, it was very late and well forget about it. Anyhow thanks to the people who thought it looked nice, and fortyseven yeah some colors do look alike, it's simply that I myself prefer aesthetics above functionality, and that catches up with me every now and then.
As for the timeline, some seperate ideas that are in my head mostly apply to the dutch colonization. These are at the start of the timeline.
VOC acts in alliance with Siam. This alliance makes business easier for the VOC. In the end, it mostly strengthens Siam. I know that IRL, VOC has done extensive trade with Siam after 1639, after VOC gained the rights for the Japanese foreign trade.
WIC is more successful, they gain a lasting presence in Brazil (Recife.) Biggest problems for the WIC in Brazil started when John Maurice returned to Europe cause the WIC refused to give him a free hand. After that the inhabitants revolted. In this timeline John Maurice would stay. Likely, this would be at the expense of WIC involvement in Africa, New Netherlands is as short lived as it was IRL, although most Dutch there will go to Recife.
Everything after this still need to be worked out. Cordóba is not muslim, it is simply a break-away state from Castillia, with the capital in Cordóba (I like that name better then Andalucia or Sevilla.) The light-yellowish states are more or less fascist. In Mexico there is a coup d'etat happening to take place in August, establishing an authoritarian regime (this is af The ideology of this regime spreads, and August becomes synonymous for civilized and noble, alongside it's IRL meaning of 'majestic dignity and grandeur' (Mirriam-Webster.) Outside those countries it's meaning is more or less synonymous with our meaning of Fascism.
Here's a map in February 1940 of a game of Making History. I was playing a scenario made by me starting on 1st September 1939 in which I modified a few borders, added a country (the Pan-African Federation) that randomly revolts againts Italy and France at the begining, and added two new alliances:the Pact of Steel and the Pact of Tin.
I may provide a detailed desccription of what happened later, but right now you can just ask questions about certain aspects of the map and I will answer.
I may provide a detailed desccription of what happened later, but right now you can just ask questions about certain aspects of the map and I will answer.
Thande
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Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland wouldn't accept dominion status, that'd be a downgrade. If you mean devolved parliaments then yes, but that's not the same thing as dominion status.
This is an FH map, time period uncertain (a few decades away, maybe some time within 50 years).
The green colour of China isn't the ROC, but a different democratic government post-revolution - that's why Taiwan isn't coloured green, because it's now officially the Republic of Taiwan. The islands in pink are a rump Indonesia. Oh, and before anyone comments on the still-intact Democratic Republic of the Congo, it's meant to be officially unified but very decentralised in structure as their new constitution says.
The green colour of China isn't the ROC, but a different democratic government post-revolution - that's why Taiwan isn't coloured green, because it's now officially the Republic of Taiwan. The islands in pink are a rump Indonesia. Oh, and before anyone comments on the still-intact Democratic Republic of the Congo, it's meant to be officially unified but very decentralised in structure as their new constitution says.
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Thanks.
It took a while to get all the little border details in.
It's not...
I just wanted to use that colour for them?
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