Map Thread II
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Gillray's caricature 'Promis'd Horrors of the French Invasion'.
While googling it, incidentally, I found another one by Gillray - a typically crude 1790s map-caricature showing England, ahem, 'invading' France...
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I think your idea is great, but you've got a few anachronisms there. Most glaringly, Leeds and Manchester were not major cities in the 600s. Leeds was a small town and Manchester a village. They only became big in OTL because of the Industrial Revolution in the 1800s. Kingdoms in those regions in the 600s would have probably taken their name from York (or Ebruac in Brythonic) and the area around modern Manchester was called Rheged in the 600s.Britain (or, part of it, anyway), c.625 CE.
ITTL, King Arthur was real, born c.590 CE.
Oh, yes, Arthur was a real man, and was the first-born son of Uther I (b.561, r.580) of the House of Pendragon, King of Carlisle/Camelot and Mediator of the Britons Confederacy- a pact formed for mutual protection when the Romans up and left. Uther was overthrown and assassinated, however, in 594 CE, when he claimed the pretentious title King of the Britons, which offended the latent yet influential Anglo-Saxons of the east coast.
His domain fell into civil war, while the Saxons swept into southern Britain and utterly ravaged the confederation he had fought long and hard to mediate. The Saxons turned tribe against tribe, until they held dominion over almost all of southern and eastern England. Arthur, son of Uther, was been hidden away since he was a boy, and managed to execute a coup d'etat against his cousin, who had usurped the throne of Carlisle, and seized power in 610. Within 15 years, he managed to lead armies to war and unite Northwest England under the Crown of Pendragon, claiming the title King of Camelot, of Manchester, of Leeds, of Gwynedd, and of Avalon. However, he refrained from claiming the throne of all the Britons, but forged a new Briton Confederacy, with Trenton, Dyfed, North and South Severn, Glywysing, Summerset, Dorset, and Cornwall, and made powerful allies with the Empire of Ireland, Pictia, and Strathclyde. As November of 625 crept up upon Britain, the great offensive of the Celtic Alliance against the many squabbling Saxon kingdoms was prepared to begin.
That's what I thought. I couldn't remeber his name, though.Gillray's caricature 'Promis'd Horrors of the French Invasion'.
While googling it, incidentally, I found another one by Gillray - a typically crude 1790s map-caricature showing England, ahem, 'invading' France...
On the new picture:
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Brandenburg and Saxony incorporated into Poland?
Also the War of the Bavarian Succession seems to have been won or avoided.
Nice use of the Centennia basemap...
Do you still have the base map for this, Thande?BAM alert!
I seem to have got involved in this giant analogous history project...
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Sorry, I did all the Anglistan stuff one night in a frenzy, and I can't remember where I got all the stuff from
OK. I'll just clean up that map.Sorry, I did all the Anglistan stuff one night in a frenzy, and I can't remember where I got all the stuff from
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Brandenburg and Saxony incorporated into Poland?
Also the War of the Bavarian Succession seems to have been won or avoided.
Nice use of the Centennia basemap...
It is more Brandenburg and Poland which have been incorporated into Saxony. And the war of Bavarian Succession was completely avoided thanks to Austrian strength and Austrian support to Saxonys in the creation of greater Poland.
What year was the conquest? (I want to know wheather my ancestor got to America safely)
Looks like sometime in the 1790's. After then there would have been kingdoms in England instead of republics.
BTW Thande, I was able to clean up the Anglistan map. It will be very useful.
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As Euio says, probably around 1797? Early on, anyway. In order for this to happen, the Royal Navy would have had to fail to stop the French fleet linking up with the Dutch and Spanish, so the battles of Camperdown and Cape St Vincent would have had to be avoided or lost (probably the former). Say Napoleon is killed in Italy as an obscure general and the crazy Egyptian expedition isn't launched, instead those resources going towards the invasion of England.
Wow. Awesome map, Thande. One wonders what the rest of this world looks like. Locally, however, who is left running Ireland and the Isle of Man?
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The Irish and the Manx one presumes
Well I imagine a Jacobite of some kind (I have no idea who it would actually be, by 1797 - Henry Stuart wasn't exactly enthusiastic about the prospect and being a cardinal had no children) would claim kingship, but then they also did the same to England, so...Note, btw, that the internal divisions do not correspond to anything. They're my attempt at an English version of the French departemental system, i.e., with no regard for the previous county boundaries.
The Irish and the Manx one presumes
Note, btw, that the internal divisions do not correspond to anything. They're my attempt at an English version of the French departemental system, i.e., with no regard for the previous county boundaries.
I noticed that actually. Although, Cornwall seems to have slipped by
Oh No! My ancestor (who is a Man of Kent/ Kentish Man) would be in the French Departments! Would that mean that I am butterflied out of Existence?
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