Map Continuation X - Map 5 - Zenobia/South America
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The flag is *very* good, but I can't see how it would be an US-equivalent: its territory is made of:
-Highlands and Jungles in the North
-*Deep* jungles in the center
-Arid lands in the East
-Arid and rather difficult to reach lands in the south.
This, plus the fact that the northern region is unreachable from the Amazon by land and the tropical deseases, makes the country a somewhat hard place to colonize, mantain and even cultivate (the land under the Amazon is of very, very bad quality. Once the jungle is gone, it's only useful for cattle, and only barely, at least before fertilizers).
It can be a nation, obviously, but not a very productive one, as most of its land is almost unuseful.
I agree.
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A little unblobbier borders for Zenobian Federation, as well as a compromise between the original and the expanded versions.
edit: ops, I forgot the Zenobian islands.
I don't know if it's ''allowed'', but if it is, I suggest to move it to, ahn, the southern region of Adamantea (plus the white area). I can move my nation north, with the St. Francis river region instead of the Parana river region. This way, you could have a far richer and more productive land (just give me part of Minas Gerais, as it's where the precious metals were).
You could, then, maybe expand your nation to (or almost to) the Pacific...? It's always hard to cross the Andes, though.
edit: or you could take more of Bahia and less of the Guyanas. It's still a rather 'meh' land, with semi-arid climate, but the strenght of a nation is also in its people, and at least the land could be used for... something. The coast of Northeastern Brazil is very good, for example, and kept the OTL portuguese colonial empire with its sugar for some centuries.
Looking back, even if Chile/Elyse stays French (and I hope it does), maybe it had to be colonized in isolation. If France gets Peru, then it ends up with just about the entire continent. ... Which I guess is OK, but you have to bear in mind that it's a much smaller country than in OTL.
Castilian Peru - French Chile would make things more equitable, IMO, but I guess you never know what is going to happen in a MContinuation.
[EDIT] Moving the Confederation would be OK, IMO, since it's moving onto unclaimed lands.
Castilian Peru - French Chile would make things more equitable, IMO, but I guess you never know what is going to happen in a MContinuation.
[EDIT] Moving the Confederation would be OK, IMO, since it's moving onto unclaimed lands.
Ex-Castillian Republic of Catalunya
Castile still holds some small islands and Panama (which is in dispute with Catalunya)
Castile still holds some small islands and Panama (which is in dispute with Catalunya)
The light green nation is Nuevo-Castile, a Castillaphone nation still largely populated by natives. The orange is the Republique Caribbean, a Francophone nation that lost the majority of its continental land to Nuevo-Castile in a war about twenty years ago--it still, however, controls a tiny peninsula at the far north of the Zenobian Commonwealth, and a small island next to Nuevo-Castile.
To Trovador, please do a map that shows what you are proposing for the Zenobian Commonwealth.
My proposal for the new Zenobian Federation and the new Adamantea.
(oh, and ZF conquered this lands up to the Pacific after their independence)
edit: lol at the two nations in exactly the same place. And the Caribbean nation can have part of Venezuela now.
Oh, and Federations are the new trend of this world, or so it seems, so Adamantea is a federation now, too
(ok, I simply forgot to remove the old borders, but it looks like quite good)
edit2: why is Platinea called that? IOTL, it was only called "River Plate"(ie River of the Silver) because of the Bolivian/Peruvian silver.
(oh, and ZF conquered this lands up to the Pacific after their independence)
edit: lol at the two nations in exactly the same place. And the Caribbean nation can have part of Venezuela now.
Oh, and Federations are the new trend of this world, or so it seems, so Adamantea is a federation now, too
(ok, I simply forgot to remove the old borders, but it looks like quite good)edit2: why is Platinea called that? IOTL, it was only called "River Plate"(ie River of the Silver) because of the Bolivian/Peruvian silver.
I propose this extension. Zenobia had a Manifest Destiny that let them reach the Pacific through the Andes, like the Americans did with the Rockies
That's stupid. The Andes are nothing like the rockies. The Rockies have much larger passes through them. And it take too much land.
I want a USA-equivalent in South America that has coasts on both Atlantic and Pacific. Show me how I can do this realistically.
All I asked was how can I have a South American USA-equivalent that stretches from the Atlantic to the Pacific, yet keep it realistic. you dont have to call my choice boring.
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Trovador's adjusted map does stretch from the Atlantic to the Pacific. Just not with such crazy amounts of land. And even he said that it only became that big by expanding after the colonial era; so it is a lot like the USA.
@Xynyrax - try claiming another area for Nuevo castile. There's still room for it.
The Logical Republic of Jouvenetia (Jouvenetea?)
The Logical Republic is named after the colonial-era revolutionary, Théodore Barthold Jounvenet. The nation once stretched much farther south, but while the Logical Revolution came to the North (some time after independence), the South resisted and was eventually split off as the nation of Elyse.
By the way, if there is some convention for creating national names from French names that I'm not aware of, please feel free to correct the name.
The Logical Republic is named after the colonial-era revolutionary, Théodore Barthold Jounvenet. The nation once stretched much farther south, but while the Logical Revolution came to the North (some time after independence), the South resisted and was eventually split off as the nation of Elyse.
By the way, if there is some convention for creating national names from French names that I'm not aware of, please feel free to correct the name.
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