Map Challenge:No Reformation

Make a map of Europe in a world where the Reformation never happened. What if?

Well, to get no Reformation you have to get rid of at least one of 1) the rising merchant class or 2) moveable type.

Once you get both, you have a large group of people who are used making decisions for themselves, and who can compare what scripture says to what the church teaches.

Either of those changes will strongly affect the history and map of Europe, irrespective of a Reformation.
 
Well, to get no Reformation you have to get rid of at least one of 1) the rising merchant class or 2) moveable type.

Once you get both, you have a large group of people who are used making decisions for themselves, and who can compare what scripture says to what the church teaches.

Either of those changes will strongly affect the history and map of Europe, irrespective of a Reformation.

What I mean more is that the Church is not so disastrous at the time and there is not a religious cause for a reformation(except a few radicals and some disobedient kings)
 
What I mean more is that the Church is not so disastrous at the time and there is not a religious cause for a reformation(except a few radicals and some disobedient kings)

Have the Church listen to Martin Luther. Not sure how you get that to happen though....
 
What I mean more is that the Church is not so disastrous at the time and there is not a religious cause for a reformation(except a few radicals and some disobedient kings)

It was a lot more just corruption, although that made a good start. When bibles start spreading, especially in the vernacular, you will get groups schisming. Stopping that needs something like the Spanish Inquisition, EVERYWHERE in Europe. It also requires that all kings be willing to alienate their most productive citizens, namely merchants.

Moreover, the church had had reform movements in the past, where a pope or a monastic tried to clean up the church. Those movements never lasted for more than a generation or so. It wasnt until the Reformation that the CounterReformation happened, and stuck.

The problem was that the Church was a monopoly, and monopolies get sloppy.
 
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