Glen
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Wendell said:Sounds...gloomy...and far-fetched...
Gloomier than our own timeline? At least this one never had the holocaust.
Which parts do you find far-fetched about what I suggest?
Wendell said:Sounds...gloomy...and far-fetched...
You're right there. This world won't be all bad. I guess the events in Europe following the Great War seem very unusual...Glen Finney said:Gloomier than our own timeline? At least this one never had the holocaust.
Which parts do you find far-fetched about what I suggest?
Wendell said:You're right there. This world won't be all bad. I guess the events in Europe following the Great War seem very unusual...
Glen Finney said:Gloomier than our own timeline? At least this one never had the holocaust.
Which parts do you find far-fetched about what I suggest?
B_Munro said:Austria-Hungary coming out of WWI in good enough shape to hold together through the 30's to begin with,
let alone holding together through a serious fight with Germany,
not to mention taking the risks of a confrontation with Germany in the first place.
The Kaiser actually having any power to speak of two decades after WWI...if democracy somehow does _worse_ in a Germany which has pulled off at least a partial victory in WWI, it's hard to see this being much of a benefit to Kaiser Bill, which had essentially been sidelined by the military by the end of WWI.
Bruce
Glen Finney said:And why shouldn't it? Because of ethnic tensions? This war went a little better, and a little shorter, and was sold to the populace of A-H as a win.
Glen Finney said:Then significant reforms under the Emperor helped diffuse even more.
Glen Finney said:The nationalists in A-H turned more to increased representation within the empire than breaking away from the empire. The A-H economy was on the upswing before the war, and with a happier conclusion could have built on that.
Glen Finney said:Which wouldn't happen until a couple decades later. Do you really think the Hungarians, Croats, Slovenes, etc want to have the GERMAN EMPIRE win such a conflict? There will be a Pan-Germanic fifth column within A-H during the war...
Glen Finney said:However, the nation is so large, and with France being picked off first, they do hold on through the course of the war, until the Soviet intervention and finally the A bomb wins the day.
Glen Finney said:They didn't start the war, the Germans did.
Glen Finney said:A military that would still politically answer to the Kaiser. Granted, it may be the military and then Kaiser Bill, but Wilhelm would still have a lot of power in this Germany, and I could see him becoming harsher in domestic policy as he ages, and goading his generals into another war for the glory of the Reich.
Well, I'm not sure that this deal would truly benefit Austria in the long run. Really, the Austrian war effort was taken over by Germany early on in the war in OTL....Glen Finney said:You're still being rather vague.
Which part is unusual? That the German Empire and A-H relation would sour? It had before, and could very well under Emperor Karl faced with Kaiser Bill.
The nuclear bomb? Look up the people involved...most of them were from the former Austria-Hungary. If A-H didn't collapse at the end of WWI, it is very plausible that the first nation to develop the nuclear bomb would be A-H.
Is there something else?
Glen said:Here's a map for 2005, based on speculation from a single POD. Can you figure out roughly what POD would lead to this map by 2005?
Geeez. The Prussian' win in 1870-1 had nothing to do with breech-loading rifles - after all both sides had them and the French - was better. Besides the first breech-loading gun was put into Prussian service in... 1841. I honestly don't see how a conflict that took place 20yrs later could influence gun development before that war even happened.tinfoil said:Europe doesn't get object lesson of ACW. So Germany/Prussian observers do not develop breech-loading needle gun, so France wins decisive war in 1870