Many sided USA civil war during great depression

About three or four I think? Radical Socialists/Communists, Huey Long Southern Faction, McArthur's Military Junta and remnants of the original US government. There are others but those were the big ones.

At the OP, Falcon Cannot Hear is a good showing for a 2nd US civil war.

Except Huey Lobg is erroneously portrayed as a fascist and that Japanese are able to invade for some reason
 

Nocrazy

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Actually, a multi-sided second civil war would be along these lines, IMO:

US Government, which controls Delaware, Maryland, West Virginia, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, North Virginia, probably capitalist, but could be communist. New York would be disputed with New England. (A communist coup, perhaps?)

CSA, which controls much of the old CSA, and would be fascist, but Virginia and Texas are both war torn, which brings us to Texas. I see this place being a battleground between Texan Nationalists and the CSA, plus some other factions.

Possible New England state, most likely capitalist. Fascism could worm it's way around.

Possible Great Lakes nation, probably a union of some sort. May be capitalist or communist, but probably capitalist.

Desert. You want Religious fanatics? I give you Mormons. Probably fascism, or a kind of constitutional monarchy. Just whatever.

Probably California Republic. Most likely socialist, but with capitalist sympathies here and there.

Cascadia. Fighting California. Capitalist.

A bunch of other states emerge here and there, fighting for either survival or dominance over rivals.

A map for this would be cool.
 
Actually, a multi-sided second civil war would be along these lines, IMO:

US Government, which controls Delaware, Maryland, West Virginia, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, North Virginia, probably capitalist, but could be communist. New York would be disputed with New England. (A communist coup, perhaps?)

CSA, which controls much of the old CSA, and would be fascist, but Virginia and Texas are both war torn, which brings us to Texas. I see this place being a battleground between Texan Nationalists and the CSA, plus some other factions.

Possible New England state, most likely capitalist. Fascism could worm it's way around.

Possible Great Lakes nation, probably a union of some sort. May be capitalist or communist, but probably capitalist.

Desert. You want Religious fanatics? I give you Mormons. Probably fascism, or a kind of constitutional monarchy. Just whatever.

Probably California Republic. Most likely socialist, but with capitalist sympathies here and there.

Cascadia. Fighting California. Capitalist.

A bunch of other states emerge here and there, fighting for either survival or dominance over rivals.

A map for this would be cool.

all of these nationlist movements you listed did not exsist at the time and would be completly impossible to emerge, and fasicsm is impossible to have happen without a PoD that might butterlfy the Great Depression as we know it.
 

Nocrazy

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all of these nationlist movements you listed did not exsist at the time and would be completly impossible to emerge, and fasicsm is impossible to have happen without a PoD that might butterlfy the Great Depression as we know it.

I mean it as a logical way of thinking. A multi-sided civil war would have to involve a near complete collapse of the US. However, for it to work, let's go back a good way. Say....yeah, I got nothing. Course, Deseret and the CSA both make sense.
 
I mean it as a logical way of thinking. A multi-sided civil war would have to involve a near complete collapse of the US. However, for it to work, let's go back a good way. Say....yeah, I got nothing. Course, Deseret and the CSA both make sense.

not in the context of the time period.

the left factions have far too much incentive too work together rather than splinter and the same goes for the right, it is near impossible in the almost completly impossible scenario of a civil war
 
not in the context of the time period.

the left factions have far too much incentive too work together rather than splinter and the same goes for the right, it is near impossible in the almost completly impossible scenario of a civil war

The question is would the Longists work together with the conservatives? I guess they both would at least agree with capitalism but one wants incredible amounts of regulation and the other is the opposite.
 
The most reasonable expanation I can think of for a civil war in the thirties with a POD after 1900 is:

1. Theodore Roosevelt never becomes president and his progressive reforms are never passed. The socialist movement grows ever larger.

2. Earlier American entry into World War 1, which further delays reforms?

3. Frequent clashes between communists and the government occur during the 20s.

4. Civil war in the 30s?

Of course, this involves handwaving any president who decides it would be a smart idea to gain all of those socialist votes by busting the trusts and regulating the corporations.
 
Guys, we're thinking too small. What if the true POD is that the Civil War never happened in the first place, and thus the federal government never grew at the expense of states' rights, and regionalism is a power that hasn't had its back broken yet?
 
I have seen several scenarios about the USA breaking up during the Great Depression and almost all of them start with various states seceding because of issues they had with the central government or the other states. Point of departure is commonly when California closes its borders for immigrants from the dust bowl states.

Some common tropes include:
=>An independent Mormon state of Utah
=> A new Confederation of the South, about the old CSA. Politics ranging from fascist to country-club-oligarchy style democracy with some Jim Crow mixed in.
=> Independent Texas, sometimes with parts of New Mexico and Oklahoma. Kind of like Dixie, but with lots of more guns and oil too.
=> A French Louisiana, basically ruled by French style, voodoo and some Jean Lafitte style pirate brotherhood politics thrown in
=> The steel states: Mostly today's rust belt depending on the scenario either including New York or with NY being a state on its own. Politics range from fascist to communist to a democracy in name but the mafia pulling the strings
=> California: No real consensus about politics except for the fact that it s----ks if you are Asian, Mexican or Okie
=> The Heartland/farmland: Either communist, socialist or fundamentalist Baptist and ruled by the KKK
 
Smeadly Butler is killed after the Bonus Riots in 1932 turn violent. FDR is elected as OTL but a plot against the government is noted and a true putsch attempted, fortunately it fails. The incident, combined with the assault on the rioters the year before and the extremes of the Great Depression, begins to cause loyalties to shift. Huey Long rallies Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and Arkansas along with isolated areas around the nation. Conservative interests lay claim to New England from the Frederick River in Virginia to Pittsburgh to Maine. Tennessee, Kentucky, West Virginia, the Carolinas, Georgia, and Florida come under the Governor's Council out of Atlanta while the Republic of Texas claims Texas, Oklahoma, Arizona, New Mexico, Kansas, and southern Missouri (below the Missouri River). A California Commonwealth comes under control of Earl Warren along with Oregon and Nevada. Washington State becomes Cascadia, a technocracy under the control of a worker's council, and is making inroads into Oregon and British Columbia. Deseret, which was Utah, Idaho, Wyoming, Montana, and Colorado, is a series of city-states governed out of the new city of Yellowstone at the Colorado/Utah/Wyoming border. Beyond Utah and southern Idaho, most of the communities are self-sufficient and tend to keep to themselves. The largest nation is the Steel Empire, a monarchy under control of Comrade Paul Ricca, in reality having taken most of the criminal organizations in the region. Stretching from the Rockies to the Missouri River to the Ohio River to central Ohio, its capital of Chicago is more bustling than ever. Internally it is a police state with very fascist tendencies, the Plains states are strongly considering secession while the Communist Brotherhood works to rally the workers and farmers to its swelling ranks.

These nations are vying for control of North America...the year is 1939...

The "businessmen's plot" was basically a bunch of rich, old guys bitching about FDR and reminiscing of "the good old days" and were so little a threat that FDR never really worried about them. Push comes to shove they had no real plan not talking about a real shot of successful coup or anything more than a farce.

The country breaking up like that was very near ASB after the ACW. By the 1930s the vast majority of the population showed more loyalty to their country than to their state.
 
The "businessmen's plot" was basically a bunch of rich, old guys bitching about FDR and reminiscing of "the good old days" and were so little a threat that FDR never really worried about them. Push comes to shove they had no real plan not talking about a real shot of successful coup or anything more than a farce.

The country breaking up like that was very near ASB after the ACW. By the 1930s the vast majority of the population showed more loyalty to their country than to their state.
Even if they had tried a coup it would have ended after a few days. The trial would have lasted longer than the "civil war."

As to the second point: definitely. States breaking off is pretty ASB, the Socialists/Communists are small and weak, the Fascists are even smaller and insane, and the military is loyal to the government. So the war is completely one sided in favor of the government.
 
If any attempted coup was actually carried out, we'd be joking today about how the businessman's plot got its name from the section of the cemetery where they are now buried.
 
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