I kind of like the idea of a steampunk Song Dynasty, but I wouldn't be the one to write that story, as I'm very far from an expert on China.
Such a TL could either be called The Sooty or Smoggy Song. or both..
I kind of like the idea of a steampunk Song Dynasty, but I wouldn't be the one to write that story, as I'm very far from an expert on China.
Okay, that was an officially awesome update. Good to see Jan Smuts and the ASARC try to turn South Africa into the country it both deserves and has the potential to be .
The situation in Natal is what I expected; brutal and unpleasant. If I were to describe TTL's "Unholy Alliance", Alt-Coperatist/Fascist Belgium, Portugal and Jim Crow Natal would do it.
There are also some quite unpleasant Latin American regimes around, both Belgian-inspired and secularist (Salvador IIRC).
The idea of a common Afrikaner partnership that includes the Basters and Griquas will also be important ITTL. There are Boers all over the place that didn't quite get around as much IOTL; notably the clan that ended up in Mutapa with the Shona, but that same update about Fourie's Trek mentioned Boers in Katanga and Matabeleland. There are probably a few in the Copperbelt, since South Africa and the Germans are cozying up to each other.
Okay, that was an officially awesome update. Good to see Jan Smuts and the ASARC try to turn South Africa into the country it both deserves and has the potential to be .
The situation in Natal is what I expected; brutal and unpleasant. If I were to describe TTL's "Unholy Alliance", Alt-Coperatist/Fascist Belgium, Portugal and Jim Crow Natal would do it.
There are also some quite unpleasant Latin American regimes around, both Belgian-inspired and secularist (Salvador IIRC).
True, true. There is unpleasantness in this world for sure, but nowhere near the same extent as OTL. More to the point, more people are aware of the unpleasantness.
Guess there's an element of stereotype involved in Albert's choice (southern Scandinavia really isn't that cold -at least, not if the comparison is with Britain). But then, if Scandinavia has roughly followed their original political development course (as they might well have, even with the postponed crisis and what that lead to), they would probably all be a bit too lefty for Albert's tastes.The Habsburg lands and Belgium were too Catholic, Iberia too unstable, Greece too poor, Switzerland too republican and Scandinavia too cold.
...I think Natal is quite likely to last a few decades at least : you can't expect South African whites to accept invading a colony to put up majority rule.
As I understand it, the legal fiction is that they continue as before, a part of the British Empire recognizing the British monarch as head of state - it's just that they regard Albert as the legitimate monarch, whereas the rest (unless any other Imperial-ruled colonies repeats the same trick, I guess) of the Empire, including Britain itself, regards George V as the current monarch.I suspect that if it has not collapsed/been destroyed by then, one of the first acts of majority rule South Africa will be to invade Natal.
What's Natal calling itself anyway? The Kingdom of Natal? The Principality of Natal, as "Your Grace" would suggest.
But while this attitude might work in the 1920s and into the '30s, I think in the Federation both the status of Africans and sympathy for them by whites will rise, and what was acceptable in 1922 will seem more outrageous by 1940. By then, the fact that the grim regime was tolerated so long will probably lend some inertia to the situation.
It seems sadly possible that before Natal's hierarchal regime breaks down completely, they might try a Disney makeover first, cleaning up the ugliness of their act as plainly visible to increasingly disapproving foreigners in the Potemkin fashion I suggested above, probably giving a cosmetic makeover to the whole place so that at a glance things seem improved--while tightening up on the police state aspect.
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I also think that the average African outside Natal might be very sympathetic to plight of his or hers brethren in Natal in principle, but only as long as Natalian escapees are not numerous enough to be perceived as competition for jobs or a public order problem. When things go at that point, there will be a lot of people willing to pretend in public that Natal does not exist, or that everything beyond that border fence is fine, they are only escaping because they want to steal our jobs and rape our daughters, the whites up there are a nasty bunch but they are right in keeping them in line (OK, that would work much better where the ethnicity of the Natalian refugees is different from the local - so probably not very much in Zululand, and in Transkei might be problematic; but among the Africans of the Cape and Transvaal it might work).
It is not so clear to me why the nonwhite subject peoples of Natal cannot all vote with their feet, leaving the sahibs there high and dry.
Here though, in 1920s South Africa, Natal is a relatively small part of a much larger (larger than OTL!) federation that is increasingly run by and for Africans
This TL is not going to avoid conflict, but the worldwide distribution of wealth is, geopolitcally speaking, more even
The Fascism analogue(s) is fairly repulsive, but, being originally far more embedded in a universalistic religious discourse, has retained a lot more of a humanitarian streak (and a similar case, though more ambiguous, could be made for TTL's iterations of Socialism).
By the way, with this I would not to argue that religion is necessarily a beneficial influence on political ideology. But IOTL, Fascism emerged at is very core as celebration of organized violence for its on sake, although it was not always readily apparent. Here, the *Belgianism (or whatever it is called) is more clearly focused on order.
Very good couple of updates. The Copperbelt region had a lot of immigration, has devastated social structures and the Congo fever over it, it would be quite possible that the society will look nothing like how it was before.
What is the language situation? The local languages like Bemba and must be under pressure because German will be an high prestige language : will there be any kind of Creole developing?
Will we see other congresses over the world?
he developments on Mauritius made me think about La Réunion, I think there are less Indian there than OTL with the war but maybe more Vietnamese, and as France was shown as sympathetic to self determination in English colonies, there could be some links.
At least the rest of South Africa seems to be shaping up pretty well. With at least some blacks having significant political rights quite early on, I'm guessing that Apartheid might not even be hinted at, and that South Africa may develop to be a much more equal society than OTL's. A man can dream...
Guess there's an element of stereotype involved in Albert's choice (southern Scandinavia really isn't that cold -at least, not if the comparison is with Britain). But then, if Scandinavia has roughly followed their original political development course (as they might well have, even with the postponed crisis and what that lead to), they would probably all be a bit too lefty for Albert's tastes.
What's Natal calling itself anyway? The Kingdom of Natal? The Principality of Natal, as "Your Grace" would suggest.
As I understand it, the legal fiction is that they continue as before, a part of the British Empire recognizing the British monarch as head of state - it's just that they regard Albert as the legitimate monarch, whereas the rest (unless any other Imperial-ruled colonies repeats the same trick, I guess) of the Empire, including Britain itself, regards George V as the current monarch.
Tonight I feel cynical: I wouldn't really think that the rest of the world, except the bordering African states (of which, though, only Basotholand is self-govering by now) would make much of a fuss about a white minority elite living off the work a segregated and politically muted black population for some decades, and especially not about said black population being prevented to emigrate. [...] I also think that the average African outside Natal might be very sympathetic to plight of his or hers brethren in Natal in principle, but only as long as Natalian escapees are not numerous enough to be perceived as competition for jobs or a public order problem.
Just to keep you company on the Cynic Train, the small neighboring African bailiwicks that would have the most kinship sympathy also have the least room or resources for these guests, which is why I assumed they'd send them along to the bigger Afrikaaner republics or Cape Province.
Any escapees would probably end up being housed in refugee camps or something.
Just to keep you company on the Cynic Train, the small neighboring African bailiwicks that would have the most kinship sympathy also have the least room or resources for these guests, which is why I assumed they'd send them along to the bigger Afrikaaner republics or Cape Province. Where as you point out, there probably isn't so much wide open space or job opportunities for unrelated Africans and others to feel comfortable with many of them.
That, and the borders are forming somewhat more organically. I'm not one of those who blames post-colonial conflicts primarily on borders (especially that near-nonexistent thing called "ethnic borders" - try drawing one between Hema and Lendu, for instance) but the artificiality of borders in OTL does contribute to a lack of identification between citizens and the states in which they live. Here, the emerging states of Africa and Asia are entities that their people fought for and participated in creating, so there will be more of a sense of belonging and engagement going forward. The tradeoff for this is a decolonization process that, if anything, is even bloodier than OTL (the Indian war of independence alone involved 1.4 million British, Indian, and imperial deaths in battle, as well as excess civilian deaths resulting from famine and siege), but greater solidarity plus a better economic base will make things somewhat smoother after decolonization is done.
Good point. I guess the closest thing in TTL to glorifying violence for its own sake is the Imperial Party, and even they leaned heavily toward maintaining order and tradition. At least some of the sheer nihilism of OTL's twentieth-century political movements is missing in TTL.