Thanks for taking the time to look that up. Presents a couple of interesting Matapan butterflies.
Yes granted the Italians surrounded VV with most of the escorts like wrapping it in bubble wrap (3 heavy & 2 light cruisers as well as 9 DDs) but given HMAS Stuarts experience when she bumped into an Italian destroyer guarding Pola during the night its possible they could get a hit or two on VV?Thanks for taking the time to look that up. Presents a couple of interesting Matapan butterflies.
Cunningham mentions in his autobiography that Warspite's condensers ate some mud on the way out of Alexandria that slowed her by a couple of knots. Have Warspite a couple of knots faster, plus five what look like big & powerful Greek destroyers joining the fight from an unexpected direction, and Vittorio Veneto could be in for a bad night.
Damn, did you just save Force Z?1941, Monday 31 March;
But Portel was still new to this game, and the wily old fox Pound had stolen some of his glory, when he mentioned the now redundant Buffalo’s. Portal had already outlined how the surplus Buffalos could be used for home defence squadrons in India and Australia, but Pound had suggested a few, say 20 could be donated to the FAA, converted to carrier operations, and a fighter squadron raised with newly trained Dominion pilots around a small cadre, which could be deployed on HMS Hermes, thereby giving the Eastern Fleet a protective CAP when at sea. At the same time, they and a second newly raised TSR squadron of Swordfish, once trained, could help create a small FAA strategic reserve, allowing the Fleet to draw replacement crews from, for operations in the Eastern Mediterranean. Churchill, as always, warming to any attack minded gesture, grunted his approval.
From what I remember reading the Hurris were able to match the Japanese fighters to some degree it took the arrival of Spitfires to beat the Japanese air powerA force of 2nd rate Hurricanes will do even better. With more in theater and an extra Wing there should be no issues having a squadron or two provide fighter cover to Force Z
Buffalos of the RAF were not equipped with hooks for carrier landing. Which mean they'll need some shipped from the US or jury-rig some on the airframes selected to operate from Hermes. Given the British managed to sucessfully convert the land-based hurricane to carrier operations, I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard to re-convert a couple Buffaloes to their original configuration. The problem is of course that with a hook and a raft on bord, they'll be heavier.which could be deployed on HMS Hermes, thereby giving the Eastern Fleet a protective CAP when at sea.
Buffalos over force Z probably would have saved itA force of 2nd rate Hurricanes will do even better. With more in theater and an extra Wing there should be no issues having a squadron or two provide fighter cover to Force Z
I think many of the British Buffalos dispensed with the .50 cals and replaced them with .303in MGs (which brought their own problems with the guns)...Buffalos over force Z probably would have saved it
The Buffalo might have been a porcine aircraft but verses twin engine bombers it would have been enough
Certainly they could not have attacked as effectively with a flight of fighters in the area and would have found it difficult to conduct hammer and anvil torpedo attacks with F2As shooting them full of .50 cal holes.
Damn, did you just save Force Z?
I'm not going to comment on the Hurricane at the moment, there will be lots of opportunity for that later. I haven't felt that there has been any interference, and welcome comment, and indeed offered speculation in development of the storyline helps create red herrings, and thus adding to the excitement of the storyline as it doesn't always follow the predicted course. I'm mostly written up to the outbreak of war with Japan, excepting the North Africa stories which I struggle to write, and Japan's developing policy towards war, which is more than difficult for me to write, indeed stories from a Japanese perspective are harder, overall. So we should move forward quite quickly, until we stumble upon another North Africa story, which I keep putting off writing.According to the RAF, the removal of four MGs from the wings made the Hurricane as nearly as good as a Zero in the turn. Having read about it's performance over Sumatra and Burma, it was quite a good fighter, much better than a Buffalo and in the hands of veteran pilots, which it was, fresh from the BoB, well it might do better than most people here think. We need to let the author develop his storyline without interference.
Pedestal did ok against raids escorted by 109F's, surely at some point "even more superior than that" ceases to be a meaningful difference?Because the Zero's better than the current marks of Hurricanes and far better than the Sea Hurricane because it was basically an early model 'cane with a tail hook and that was about it. It was a bit iffy against German and Italian aircraft in the Med, and the Zero is an unknown quantity at this time, but we know how dangerous it is.
All I'm going to say is that Force Z was a leg pull in terms of failures at all levels.Hi guys, thank you all for your comments, they're most welcome, it helps motive my writing. However in your comments is the reference to a "Force Z" which has me perplexed. I've checked with the Admiralty which uses this convention of naming task groups, and they assure me there is no Force Z. We do have a Force T operating in the Indian Ocean.
For the naval side of the operation ' Force T ' was formed. It was made up of the aircraft carrier HMS Hermes (Capt. R.F.J. Onslow, DSC, MVO, RN), heavy cruisers HMS Shropshire (Capt. J.H. Edelsten, RN, Senior Officer), HMS Hawkins (Capt. H.P.K. Oram, RN), light cruisers HMS Ceres (Capt. E.G. Abbott, AM, RN), HMS Capetown (Capt. P.H.G. James, RN) and the destroyer HMS Kandahar (Cdr. W.G.A. Robson, DSO, RN).
HMS Hermes (D 95) of the Royal Navy - British Aircraft Carrier of the Hermes class - Allied Warships of WWII - uboat.netThe U-boat War in World War Two (Kriegsmarine, 1939-1945) and World War One (Kaiserliche Marine, 1914-1918) and the Allied efforts to counter the threat. This section includes over 21.000 Allied Warships and over 11.000 Allied Commanders of WWII, from the US Navy, Royal Navy, Royal Canadian...uboat.net
and obviously Force H operating out of Gibraltar, but no Force Z, so I'll assume your all in the game of pulling my leg.