Malê Rising

If I may, I'd like to figure out how the Democrats relate to the Republicans in the center-right D-R coalition. From what I've gathered of both their Southern base and their skepticism of suburbia and other Farmer-Labor development projects, they seem to resemble OTL's paleoconservatives, viewing industrial modernity as a threat to traditional values. This explains why a right-wing party seems to have such a strong environmentalist plank; they did, after all, lay the foundations for what people in OTL would call "smart growth" in Houston's suburbs. They're aligned with the Republicans in viewing big government as an agent of the sort of change that they wish to prevent, but they also hold the same poor opinion of big business, and thus, their economic platform probably trends more towards either center-right moderation or the radical center.

Pretty much. It's not unusual ITTL for a right-wing party to have an environmental platform, BTW: environmentalism isn't considered a left-wing issue, and it has supporters and opponents on both the left and the right. There are also several flavors of environmentalism, with those based on old-line conservationism and religious ideas of stewardship having the most appeal to conservatives. Much of the difference between liberal and conservative environmentalists lies in perspectives and priorities: should the environment be preserved primarily for its own sake and/or for the sake of all living creatures, or should the priority be to preserve it in the interest of human health and spiritual well-being?

With that said, though, you're right that the Democrats are the paleocons, and that they emphasize idealized rural values, the privileges of the family, and a "small and local" attitude toward both government and business. They draw heavily from evangelicals, as might be expected. On the other hand, they've mostly - emphasis on "mostly" - come to terms with racial equality: some Democratic organizations are still backward in that respect, but others count black evangelicals (and in some areas, conservative black Muslims) among their base voters. They can also be surprisingly "modern" on women's issues, and the social-action orientation of many of TTL's evangelical churches (the fourth part of the Bebbington quadrilateral gets more than lip service) sometimes leads them, as you say, to "radical center" economics.

There's really no OTL counterpart to them.

As for the Reconstructionists, I have bad feelings about them going by their name alone, but JE hasn't given any detail on what they represent.

In comment 5873, I mentioned that the Reconstructionists are centered around opposition to the renewed civil rights push that began in the late 1950s, in which the unfinished business from the 1920s-30s is returning to prominence and some previously quiescent groups are standing up for themselves. They're strongest in the South, especially Florida and some of the Deep South suburbs, but by no means confined to that region.

I also noticed that Charlotte seems to be a center of automobile production. If so, then this probably means that Detroit doesn't dominate the American auto industry like IOTL. There are likely to be other centers of the auto industry beyond just those two; IOTL, Studebaker was based in South Bend, Indiana, and Nash was based in Kenosha, Wisconsin, up through the '50s.

True, and Kenosha was also, IIRC, the home of American Motors up until they disbanded in 1987... Even California once had a notable carmaker call it home; the Doble company, famous amongst enthusiasts even today for its steam cars(despite having been extinct for almost 80 years now) was from Emeryville.

So, yeah, the American auto industry really didn't have to be as centralized as it had been IOTL.

That's more or less what I had in mind: Charlotte is the largest center of the American automotive industry, but there are other manufacturers in the Midwest and possibly on the West Coast. There may even be one in Detroit, but that city isn't synonymous with the motor vehicle industry the way it is IOTL.

I really want to hear more about Russia, that whole thing looks fascinating to me.

Don't worry, you will. The Russosphere (is that a word?) will be among the regions discussed in the 1955-70 cycle.
 
I hope my comment about wanting to see Canada ITTL wasn't swept up in bottom of the page syndrome.

Ah, me too. Not Canadian myself(though from descent of Canadians), but it'd be nice to see what happened. Is Canada like OTL? Or is it a kingdom? Or independent altogether?
 
I hope my comment about wanting to see Canada ITTL wasn't swept up in bottom of the page syndrome.

I am planning a guest post set in Canada, although I'll mostly be dealing with the history of native rights and land claims in western Canada, in particular BC. But of course if JE is planning his own update set in Canada I'll make sure to edit mine to fit it in to JE's vision if Canada :)
 
I hope my comment about wanting to see Canada ITTL wasn't swept up in bottom of the page syndrome.

Ah, me too. Not Canadian myself(though from descent of Canadians), but it'd be nice to see what happened. Is Canada like OTL? Or is it a kingdom? Or independent altogether?

I've mentioned Canada a few times, most recently in post 3741, but I'll grant that I've neglected it. To drastically oversimplify a complicated situation, Canada is a dominion, but the Great War and its aftermath - including conscription requirements in Quebec and the derailing of Laurier's bid for the premiership - made the conflicts between English and French Canada worse than OTL. The regions are very distinct and have undergone different immigration patterns and social development during the 1920s-50s, and Quebec has become a bit of an Ireland. By this time, there's also a rising First Nations movement.

For all that, Canada is mostly liberal and prosperous, and has held together despite all - as Stéphane Dion has said, it's a country that works in practice but not in theory. The practice may face a severe test in the 60s, though.

Anyway, I didn't miss the requests to see Canada, and I'll work it into the 1955-70 academic updates and possibly set a narrative in the 1970-2000 cycle. Is there any particular city or region you want to see?

I am planning a guest post set in Canada, although I'll mostly be dealing with the history of native rights and land claims in western Canada, in particular BC. But of course if JE is planning his own update set in Canada I'll make sure to edit mine to fit it in to JE's vision if Canada :)

Feel free to develop your ideas first, given that you're a lot closer to the situation - just run them by me before posting, and I'll let you know if there's anything inconsistent with what I'm planning to do.
 
There are several public schools - both Farmer-Labor and the Democrat-Republicans like to throw money at higher education, so there would be an elite branch of the state university and a couple of research institutes. And with the oil barons competing for charitable laurels, there would definitely be something like Rice.

Hmmm. Well, IOTL there doesn't seem to have been much of a push for the formation of 'systems' until the 1960s, at least in Texas, and prior to that there were a ton of independent schools. Some of those, like UT-El Paso or UT-Pan American, were absorbed into larger networks, some, like the University of Houston, became the flagships of their own networks, and others remained independent, like Texas Southern or Texas Women's. That's why I was wondering whether there'd be an independent system or network (it's probably inefficient, but OTOH it does allow for a certain degree of creative vitality that might be lost if there were only one or two systems).

I was also, in particular, wondering whether anything like Texas Southern would exist here (something like Prairie View clearly would, as it was founded simultaneously with the main Texas A&M site). IOTL, it was created in 1927 as a segregated equivalent to the University of Houston, in their then-forms as community colleges run by HISD. During the 1930s UH became a four-year institution (at first under the control of HISD, then after 1945 until 1963 as a private school), while TSU remained a community college until the later 1940s, when it was changed into a four-year state institution to avoid desegregating the University of Texas, and in particular its law school (Sweatt v. Painter).

Since from what I recall the civil rights era was in full swing by the 1920s, I was wondering whether anything like that had happened, or whether, when public schools were being founded in Houston, they were just integrated from the outset.

(You can, incidentally, tell this was the case looking at their demographics and campuses; UH-Main and TSU are literally across the street from each other, but the former has a much larger campus, and there's a stark racial divide in demographics: about 11% of UH-Main's students are African-American, about half of their proportion in Houston's population, whereas non-blacks account for only 16% of TSU's student body).

You're correct that there's no space center, which is why the baseball team is named for oil workers rather than astronauts.

Like I said, I noticed that. "Roughnecks" is a heck of a lot better than "Colt .45s," which the Astros were called before they became the Astros. I suppose the Rockets will have to become something else, too...
 
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Zoroastrian Ainu in the Congo? :eek:

About a year or so back there was a discussion following a post-Great War-India update on how would Indian companies reach the Far East, which then turned into a debate whether or not can a Ainu convert to Zoroastrianism (Indian-flavour version), join a shipping company, and make his or her way to the Congo.

Jonathan promised that at least 1 guy or girl will follow this path when Africa undergoes it's post-independence years. I just remembered this promise ten minutes ago!! :D
 
About a year or so back there was a discussion following a post-Great War-India update on how would Indian companies reach the Far East, which then turned into a debate whether or not can a Ainu convert to Zoroastrianism (Indian-flavour version), join a shipping company, and make his or her way to the Congo.

Jonathan promised that at least 1 guy or girl will follow this path when Africa undergoes it's post-independence years. I just remembered this promise ten minutes ago!! :D

...it has to happen. :D
 
Hmmm. Well, IOTL there doesn't seem to have been much of a push for the formation of 'systems' until the 1960s, at least in Texas, and prior to that there were a ton of independent schools.

I think there would be such a push if the federal government is putting a lot of money into public higher education - ease of accounting, uniformity of standards and economies of scale would favor it. Possibly the older and better-established public schools would stay out of the emerging state university network, or be absorbed only much later.

As for something like Texas Southern: as you say, TTL's civil rights era was already well advanced by the time it was founded IOTL, and Texas ITTL wasn't one of the really bad Jim Crow states (although some segregation did exist). On the other hand, with the civil rights struggle being as violent as it was ITTL, there might have been a push to create a black public college in order to keep the peace and provide safety in numbers. Alternatively, the black middle and upper class might have pooled resources to found a private college during the early 20th century, which would eventually get picked up by the state system.

Like I said, I noticed that. "Roughnecks" is a heck of a lot better than "Colt .45s," which the Astros were called before they became the Astros. I suppose the Rockets will have to become something else, too...

Hmmm, yeah. Railmen, maybe.

WAAAIT!!

Whatever happened to the Zoroastrian Ainu in the Congo!?

Zoroastrian Ainu in the Congo? :eek:

...it has to happen. :D

I'd forgotten about that, actually, but yeah. It started when someone (I forget who) said that, with all the cultural mixing occurring in TTL, s/he wouldn't be surprised to see Zoroastrian Ainu in the Congo. After some discussion, we agreed that it wouldn't be entirely outside the realm of possibility for a Parsi merchant in Hokkaido or Sakhalin to unofficially convert an Ainu village (Parsis don't accept official converts), after which one of the villagers would become a sailor and eventually jump ship at a Congolese port.

I'll tell you what - he (it almost has to be he), who by this time has set himself up as a back-country merchant, will have a cameo in the 1955-70 cycle when I get to the central Africa update. I've been officially reminded. :p

I wonder what Fantasy as a genre is like ITTL?

Based on prior discussion, there's less high fantasy, and what exists is more George MacDonald or Lord Dunsany than Tolkien. There's more low fantasy and magical realism, and the literature draws from a broader range of mythological traditions (both within and outside Europe; there's quite a bit more eastern European and Russian influence as well as African, Asian and indigenous American). Also, the Middle Ages aren't the default setting, although there's plenty of medieval fantasy out there; ancient, early modern and future settings are just as popular.
 
Montreal please! Quebec turning into a Canadian Ireland is just too interesting to pass by. :D

I second Montreal! Mostly because I'm interested in how Quebec has turned out. I personally feel that the precedent set by other post-Westphalian arrangements will make it easier for Quebec and Canada to reach an understanding somewhere between Quebec being a province like any other and sovereignty-association (meaning Quebec is a sovereign nation, but it shares institutions with Canada via treaty between the two entities).

Personally, I'd very much like to see a Quebec which remains a part of Canada but ends up outside the Commonwealth - as in they can still be part of the Canadian federation, but they don't have to accept the British monarch as head of state.

The other reason I would be particularly partial to Montreal, is because of its own Anglo and other non-Quebecois minorities, and the coflict that will come up between Quebecois and non-Quebecois in Montreal. In Anglo Canada we often say "if Quebec separates from Canada, Montreal will separate from Quebec". I don't think that is quite true, because there are still plenty of Quebec sovereigntists who live in Montreal, but if Quebec is Ireland, Montreal will be its Belfast....
 
I think there would be such a push if the federal government is putting a lot of money into public higher education - ease of accounting, uniformity of standards and economies of scale would favor it. Possibly the older and better-established public schools would stay out of the emerging state university network, or be absorbed only much later.

Probably, yeah. I'd guess at that that there'd be two or three networks (depending on details of A&M's history); the University of Texas network, the A&M network (if A&M doesn't become an element of UT's network, something which was apparently seriously considered), and the Texas State University network. Basically like California (or today's Texas state university system), except with an extra A&M network, and for many of the same reasons; UT would be the "elite" school(s) and the TSU collection would, at least at first, be teacher-training schools. A&M, if it's independent, would probably be somewhere in between, not as elite as UT, but more so than the TSU collection, probably with a focus on "practical" areas of research and education and of course agriculture.

As for something like Texas Southern: as you say, TTL's civil rights era was already well advanced by the time it was founded IOTL, and Texas ITTL wasn't one of the really bad Jim Crow states (although some segregation did exist). On the other hand, with the civil rights struggle being as violent as it was ITTL, there might have been a push to create a black public college in order to keep the peace and provide safety in numbers. Alternatively, the black middle and upper class might have pooled resources to found a private college during the early 20th century, which would eventually get picked up by the state system.

Well, it's pretty plausible that someone would go and found a private black school, like they did all over the place elsewhere, especially since if I recall correctly Texas' black population was better off even in the 19th century, when there wouldn't be any question of integration. It would probably stay private, though, rather than going public, again like most of the other HBCUs.

(Which makes me wonder if there's an HBCU designation here?)
 
La Paz, March 1969

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On the street outside the station, the wagon-driver saw me but didn’t slow down. “Hey, cholo!” he shouted as I jumped out of the way. “What are you, blind?”

There wasn’t anyone behind him, so I started across again, and a criollo coming the other way brushed my side. “Look where you’re going, cholo,” he said.

I made it to the opposite curb and took a deep breath of Bolivian air. I was home.

There was a chicha shop up the street, and all at once I realized I was hungry. I’d been on the train almost two days from Buenos Aires, and we hadn’t stopped in Asunción or Santa Cruz long enough for a meal; people had come through selling food and drink, but nothing very substantial. Under the circumstances, the smell of anticuchos was overpowering.

“There are plenty of cholo places up the hill,” the owner said as I walked inside. It wasn’t an invitation to leave in so many words, but his tone of voice was clear. Inti Torres might have been president three times, and the politicians might wear native dress at festivals and talk endlessly of the nation’s indio heritage, but here on the Prado, they didn’t seem to have got the message. If anything, they’d become worse during my seven years’ absence, like fanatic defenders of a besieged city.

I didn’t answer him directly, but put two of the new sols on the counter and said “two sticks.” He took the money and handed me two skewers of anticuchos. He didn’t say anything more; maybe he’d decided that making the sale was the fastest way to get rid of me. If so, he was right; I took the sticks with me and ate them as I made a left turn off the Prado.

I’d made my point, I guess – or maybe not, since I’d paid two or three times as much for them as I’d have had to pay on the heights.

The streets became narrower as I got farther from the office buildings and fancy shops on the Prado, and they wound up steeply toward the canyon wall through brightly-painted colonial houses and then the newer apartments built by the socialists in the thirties. The old rule of La Paz hadn’t changed – the higher you lived, the poorer you were – and the markets and houses got steadily shabbier. There were many cholos here, and cholita market-women in bowler hats and layered skirts, and there didn’t seem to be much difference between them and the criollos and mestizos who lived in the same buildings; shared poverty had erased the lines that they drew down in the valley. There were richer criollos too, hunting for bargains, and I saw a couple of embarrassed women leaving the witches’ market with love potions or fertility charms.

And at last, the ascensor to the heights.

The cable cars were nearly empty at this time of day, and I paid my half-sol and found a place by the window. It lifted me up above the houses, and for the first time in seven years, I saw the panorama of La Paz: streets built high up the canyon walls, the towers of San Jorge and the Prado, the cathedral, the wealthy districts of the Zona Sur. It was a sight I’d grown up with every day of my life, living near the rim of the heights, but it seemed suddenly new.

How new, I began to realize when I stepped off the ascensor at the top end. There had been a city on the heights for a long time, since the railhead to Lake Titicaca was first built in the nineteenth century, and it had grown faster since being connected to the municipal water supply in the forties, but it had exploded during my absence. There was construction everywhere, streets being paved, apartment buildings going up in lots where adobe houses had stood. The map I’d carried in my head all this time was changing before my eyes.

There was more than that. On the Prado, I’d stood out because I was a cholo; up here, everyone was, but I stood out again because of the suit I’d bought in Buenos Aires. People measured me with their eyes, and when I stopped in a Peruvian-style chicha shop – the Peruvian and Ecuadorian dissidents had been coming almost as long as the water had, with the movimiento indigena so strong here – the owner charged me half again what I remembered paying. The chicha was sweet, made with purple corn, and I drank deeply before I noticed everyone staring at me and realized I’d forgotten to spill some for Pachamama. I corrected the error and drank the rest, as embarrassed as the criolla women I’d seen at the mercado de las brujas.

My family’s house, at least, was the same. My sister Nayra – my sister who’d been twelve when I left, and who was a woman now – was hanging clothes to dry in front. She saw me, and there was a second of hesitation in her eyes before she screamed my name and ran into my arms.

“Mama! Mama! Carlos is home from Africa!”

A moment later, my mother came out from making dinner and joined the embrace. We stood there a long time in silence, and then she stepped back and asked me, “did you go to church in Ilorin?” Yes, that was her first question, although to be fair, it was something I’d never written about in my letters.

“I did when I could,” I said, and I told her about the churches the Catholic Igbo immigrants had built, and the Enugu Use services with their sculpted clay altars and drums and song. “Not in Adamawa, when I was working on the highland crops. There were no churches there.”

Her face showed only slight disapproval as she led me into the house; here and now, I could do no wrong. “Is it true you’ll be working for the government?”

“Yes, they offered me the job last year. They’re starting a new branch of the agricultural institute, here on the heights. They wanted me to be part of it when I finished at the university.”

She knew all that from my letters, but she was my mother, and she wanted to hear it.

“What will you actually be doing?” my sister asked.

“I wrote you about my research with Andean potatoes and quinoa…” I said, and waited for her nod. “They didn’t do well for the African highland crops project – the highlands there aren’t high enough. They don’t have anything like the altiplano. But we did come up with some strains that look promising for here. The agriculture ministry wants me to work on them.”

“Give Mama Jatha some new clothes?” came a voice from the other room: an unfamiliar voice, speaking casually. A moment later, a man about my age walked in, and my sister went to stand by him and hold his hand. I remembered that she’d married, and searched my mind for the name… “Anca?”

“Carlos,” he answered, and took a seat on one of the empty crates that did duty for chairs. I tried to remember what Nayra had told me about him. He was a Peruvian, a mestizo, although his face strongly favored his Quechua side. He was a waiter in the restaurant where she cooked, and had been so since he’d fled Peru two years ago. Now he listened to my sister spin visions of a world without hunger, a world in which the altiplano was as fertile as ancient Sumer…

“Your institute,” he said. “It will be you and some people from the university in La Paz?”

“And from the agriculture ministry. It won’t be my institute.”

He nodded. “Have you thought about how you’ll get the people here to use your new potatoes, if you develop them?”

“Why wouldn’t people use them?” Nayra asked, but I remembered the chicha shop near the ascensor, and I knew what the answer would be before it came.

“People have been coming here and promising miracles for four hundred years,” Anca said. “Why would they listen when someone in a suit promises them another one?”

“I have other clothes.”

“It’s not just the clothes, Carlos. The potato is Mama Jatha here. You don’t just change something sacred. Do you understand that anymore?”

Truthfully, I wasn’t sure I did. I was swimming in deep water after only a few minutes at home, and I was reminded again of how seven years’ absence can make a person into a stranger. I’d gone to Africa on an agricultural scholarship that Ahmadu and Asma’u Abacar’s parents had named in their honor, but I’d absorbed more there than biological engineering: I’d been present at yam festivals and Hausa harvest celebrations, and I’d spent nights talking with classmates about Abacarist environmental ethics. “There is no God but Allah and Pachamama is His prophet,” I’d joked once when I’d stayed up far too late – I’d never dare say that here, but had I really come home thinking of the earth the same way as when I’d left?

I recalled my first months in Ilorin, the isolation that came from not knowing the language and the culture, the feeling that I was walking blindly even in the bright day. I’d had to learn how to live all over again. Maybe I’d have to do that again.

I sat down on another crate – a crate, I noticed, that had once held potatoes. “I’m only going to work on crops,” I said. “Not politics.”

Anca shook his head. “You’re trying to make a revolution,” he said. “I spent five years in prison rather than the university, but you learn many things in prison, and I think I know more about revolution than you do. An agricultural revolution’s the same as a political one. You have to bring the people into it, even before it happens.”

This time, Nayra saw where he was going before I did. “Bring farmers into the institute’s work?”

“And let them shape its ritual. Science has rituals, doesn’t it?”

It does here, I imagine, I thought, and nodded.

“This can’t be a criollo revolution…”

“Even if it also has a cholo in a suit?”

“Even then.”

There was silence again. I’d heard the word “revolution” many times to describe what the Ilorin University agricultural school, and its counterparts in Brazil and India and Europe and the United States, had done, but I’d never taken the term literally. The yam festival should have told me, though. Changing something sacred, even for the better, is a revolution. I tried to remember how the new yams had been introduced in Igbo country, and I couldn’t. I’d never paid attention to politics.

It didn’t matter; there were people I could ask. In the meantime, my mother was cooking chicken and had started a pot of sopa de maní and another of potatoes and cheese; when they were done, we would open a bottle of singani and celebrate my return. And…

“Do you know anyone in the farmers’ union?” I asked, and at Anca’s nod, I asked the next question.

“Can we talk to them tomorrow?”
 
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