Malê Rising

Well, wouldn't all of the white component parts of the Australian federation be pretty Protestant? Certainly NZ was, I think only a couple of districts IOTL had a Catholic plurality. Certainly the lower South Island from about Timaru was very Presbyterian, the rest being Anglican. The West Coast was almost Irish Catholic.

Given the darker events in Ulster I'd suspect parts of *NZ would not be a particularly nice place to be Catholic. IOTL anyway, PM William Massey (Non conformist born in Norn, Orangeman and anti Catholic) was quite close to Craig, PM of Ulster at the same time.

Victoria and New South Wales can be expected to have large and very vocal Catholic populations- the Labour movement had very strong links with the Church.

I agree about NZ- there was a burst of anti-Catholicism in the twenties, as I recall, and it can only have been nastier ITTL.

Loved the last update, by the way.
 
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N'Dele Use and the Malagasy-German piece? This is a good day.

A couple of brief comments:

I am floored by that number of Portuguese emigrants. Half a million in roughly a decade? It's been a while since I looked it up, but Salazar would (and probably did) kill for that kind of response.

As Falecius says, the Church has always had a certain flexibility as far as rites and practices go, especially outside of Europe, so long as doctrine was left intact. The reason I brought up Zaire and Iroquois Use way back when is because they're unique in being formalized and officially accepted examples, and are relatively unique in that sense. Every Catholic population has its own folk customs, but few are given the full embrace of the Pope so much as a nod, wink, and looking in the other direction. See for example, the syncreticism with old folk customs like the typical Day of the Dead traditions. The Church tolerates them, but doesn't formalize them, and doesn't interfere so long as it's clear that the day and traditions like ofrendas are about celebrating lost family members and not worshiping them. Beyond that, though, everything's pretty much done by the Latin Rite.

N'Dele Use ITTL, however, has some other interesting significance. Given N'Dele's location, I wonder if there is any cross-appeal to Ethiopian vassals in the Nilotic/Kush region? Especially among those that are looking to escape assimilation into the Amharic culture that Ethiopia is pushing. I would suspect it would be a small minority, given that Ethiopian Orthodox and Islam will have the strongest presence, followed by simply resisting conversion pressure by holding onto traditional beliefs, but it might have a few willing to turn to it. For that matter, I would expect it to grow in German Central Africa to an extent as well if it can tie itself to supporting African dignity and rights in the face of colonial abuses. Again, though, other religions or maintenance of traditional beliefs might hold more appeal.

I enjoyed the Bremerhaven interlude, thank you for seeing my little comment on that. It really is rather interesting to see the extent to which Germany is more accepting of racial and ethnic backgrounds ITTL, if for no other reason that the sheer number that they've had to adjust to when making up for the young men who died in the war.

Finally, a little note on that interlude I mentioned before: I'm roughly a third to a half done with it. Got the Milwaukee and Tulsa sections done, but I got bogged down in some details and ideas I couldn't sort through when writing about the South. Hoping to get it done sometime this week.
 
Well, wouldn't all of the white component parts of the Australian federation be pretty Protestant? Certainly NZ was, I think only a couple of districts IOTL had a Catholic plurality. Certainly the lower South Island from about Timaru was very Presbyterian, the rest being Anglican. The West Coast was almost Irish Catholic.

I'd certainly expect them to be majority-Protestant, but I think Shevek23 and Sulemain were asking about states where some flavor of Protestantism is part of the political makeup. I'd expect Australasia to be a secular state - as you and Senator Chickpea say, there will be some anti-Catholicism (and it probably got nasty during the Imperial period and the Irish troubles before that), but I highly doubt that will translate into a positive Protestant theocracy.

I am floored by that number of Portuguese emigrants. Half a million in roughly a decade? It's been a while since I looked it up, but Salazar would (and probably did) kill for that kind of response.

I should have been clearer - the 390,000 figure was the total number of emigrants since the Great War, and the "more than half a million" was the total Portuguese population in Africa with natural increase. This is the result of forty years of governments subsidizing the emigration of unemployed workers and sometimes exiling political dissidents. Of course, subsidized emigration is starting to reach the end of its utility, but it might take a while for the Novo Reino to realize that.

Every Catholic population has its own folk customs, but few are given the full embrace of the Pope so much as a nod, wink, and looking in the other direction. See for example, the syncreticism with old folk customs like the typical Day of the Dead traditions. The Church tolerates them, but doesn't formalize them, and doesn't interfere so long as it's clear that the day and traditions like ofrendas are about celebrating lost family members and not worshiping them. Beyond that, though, everything's pretty much done by the Latin Rite.

Fair enough. As I mentioned, though, the issue with the African folk usages is that strong traditions of ancestor worship do exist throughout Africa, so this is an area that the Church hierarchy (in OTL and TTL) felt it had to police.

Also, in a colonial setting, the civil authorities - with whom the Church often cooperated - tend to be wary of any liturgical independence on the part of the indigenous population, because that might lead to other kinds of independence. See, e.g., what happened to the Kimbanguists IOTL. An Angolan Use can be a politically tricky issue even if it isn't theologically tricky.

N'Dele Use ITTL, however, has some other interesting significance. Given N'Dele's location, I wonder if there is any cross-appeal to Ethiopian vassals in the Nilotic/Kush region? Especially among those that are looking to escape assimilation into the Amharic culture that Ethiopia is pushing. I would suspect it would be a small minority, given that Ethiopian Orthodox and Islam will have the strongest presence, followed by simply resisting conversion pressure by holding onto traditional beliefs, but it might have a few willing to turn to it. For that matter, I would expect it to grow in German Central Africa to an extent as well if it can tie itself to supporting African dignity and rights in the face of colonial abuses. Again, though, other religions or maintenance of traditional beliefs might hold more appeal.

Both are possible, certainly - as you say, they may be part of the mix along with other things.

I enjoyed the Bremerhaven interlude, thank you for seeing my little comment on that. It really is rather interesting to see the extent to which Germany is more accepting of racial and ethnic backgrounds ITTL, if for no other reason that the sheer number that they've had to adjust to when making up for the young men who died in the war.

Yes, it was a matter of necessity at first, and now they've simply become used to it. Most of them have, anyway - the others still cause trouble now and then.

Finally, a little note on that interlude I mentioned before: I'm roughly a third to a half done with it.

Cool, look forward to seeing it.
 
Right, I was wondering if I'd misunderstood the point, which I have!

I do wonder if you have introduced a big POD into domestic NZ/antipodean politics though, with your rougher treatment of Ulster. From the UK perspective the story works (as it should), but with your outcome of long term civil conflict and proper fighting, then encouraged immigration to Australasia, who knows how that affects *NZ?

Now OTL the conflict was in the south of Ireland and thus more of a Catholic issue despite wider Home Rule issues, which no doubt was a substantial influence in any event, but as NZ was and I imagine still is ATL a much more Irish Protestant place, maybe your version ruffles more feathers? Something like 2/5ths of Irish migrants to NZ were Protestant, which is a fair bit higher than the norm in Ireland and to most other migrant destinations.

Massey himself went to Ulster several times during his reign /prominence and at one point even told a gathering in Belfast about the struggle of the Maori in NZ, ‘ [T]hey had great warlike traditions, that they never surrendered, and that they played a great part in the World War’

http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/irish/page-10
http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/religion-and-society/page-6
http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/biographies/3e5/elliott-howard-leslie

I recently came across the Protestant Political Association, which seems to be a short lived, Orange Order inspired NZ political pressure movement, inspired by the Easter Rising. No one really seems, this far on, quite how big they were, but figures seem to be as high as 200,000 members at their apogee. I'd take that with a large grain of salt, but they seemed to have had a lot of influence on the PM and the Reform Party, if briefly.

The movement at the time claimed to be the key reason why Massey/Reform won the 1919/22 election. No idea again if this is right but given that the party system was still forming, it is possible.

It seems there was a good solid effort to link Catholicism with Communism and Socialism and given that many of the earlier Labour leaders were Irish Catholic, or at least, children of such migrants, that wasn't particularly unfair. Although the labour/liberal movement was not a Catholic movement in that sense.

Take a look at these, if you are interested:

http://www.academia.edu/2107227/The_Irish_Revolution_and_Protestant_Politics_in_New_Zealand_1916-22

This also looks interesting, but I've not found an online source yet, if one exists

http://ipac.canterbury.ac.nz/ipac20/ipac.jsp?profile=a&ri=&index=BIB&term=46774
 
I liked the Bremen vignette, especially as I grew up in that area. Only the landscape in the picture you chose doesn't look like that area (don't know if it was supposed to) - houses and landscape look more like the central German hill country.
 
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Victoria and New South Wales can be expected to have large and very vocal Catholic populations- the Labour movement had very strong links with the Church.

I agree about NZ- there was a burst of anti-Catholicism in the twenties, as I recall, and it can only have been nastier ITTL.

Loved the last update, by the way.

Check out some of the links I posted to JE. I must admit I wasn't particularly aware of the PPA. Now that I think about it, we tend to downplay sectarianism in NZ, which is perhaps understandable.
 
It does however reinforce my view that the State education system was in part, a proxy for the Protestant groups, which was both in response to the Irish Catholic system and to force it out.

Certainly my high school, which was one of the old 1870s land grant schools still had Presbyterianism elements to it. The morning assembly was quite Christian in an Anglican/Presbyterian way, to the extent that boys whose parents were of other denominations often removed them from the assembly. Which as you can imagine didn't help their popularity. Since the only other high school was Catholic, usually they chose our school as it was only during assembly that it was religious.
 
I do wonder if you have introduced a big POD into domestic NZ/antipodean politics though, with your rougher treatment of Ulster. From the UK perspective the story works (as it should), but with your outcome of long term civil conflict and proper fighting, then encouraged immigration to Australasia, who knows how that affects *NZ?

Now OTL the conflict was in the south of Ireland and thus more of a Catholic issue despite wider Home Rule issues, which no doubt was a substantial influence in any event, but as NZ was and I imagine still is ATL a much more Irish Protestant place, maybe your version ruffles more feathers? Something like 2/5ths of Irish migrants to NZ were Protestant, which is a fair bit higher than the norm in Ireland and to most other migrant destinations.

Interesting - I hadn't known there were so many Ulstermen in NZ. I imagine that some of them would have been Imperial supporters while others would be torn between support of the Protestants in Ulster and dislike of the Imperial attitude toward the dominions. If many of them were like Massey in their attitude toward the Maori, that could also have pushed them away from the Imperials.

I'd imagine, though, that relations between Irish Protestants and Catholics in NZ would have been pretty bad during the late 1910s and early 20s, and this could have reinforced the movement for separate schools that a couple of your linked articles talk about. Maybe there would be a lingering anti-Catholic strain in NZ politics into the 1930s, although being part of a larger federation might help mute it.

I liked the Bremen vignette, especially as I grew up in that area. Only the landscape in the picture you chose doesn't look like that area (don't know if it was supposed to) - houses and landscape look more like the central German hill country.

Yeah, I couldn't find any good paintings of the countryside near Bremen or 1920s-era photos of villages in that area, so I went with a generic German country scene. If you know of anything better, I'd be happy to substitute it.

Speaking of German culture, BTW, do you think TTL would produce anything like the Wandervögel - maybe among the wartime generation's children or grandchildren who are looking for something more to life than getting rich? I could see that playing out in some interesting ways with Indians and Africans around.
 
In terms of Catholic Irish and Australasia perhaps the former would just choose to settle largely in other parts of the federation which didn't have such a strong bias? By now communication would probably be sufficient that they could actually know generally the differences between various parts of the Antipodeans, and as has been said there's always been loads of Irish Catholics in Vic and NSW.
 
Yeah, I couldn't find any good paintings of the countryside near Bremen or 1920s-era photos of villages in that area, so I went with a generic German country scene. If you know of anything better, I'd be happy to substitute it.
There was a famous artist colony in the village of Worpswede, not far from Bremen, during the late 19th and early 20th century (actually, it still exists, but its glory days are long gone); I googled "Worpswede 1920" and came up with a lot of nice landscape pictures.


Speaking of German culture, BTW, do you think TTL would produce anything like the Wandervögel - maybe among the wartime generation's children or grandchildren who are looking for something more to life than getting rich? I could see that playing out in some interesting ways with Indians and Africans around.
I think they would exist - after all, they were a reaction against Wilhelminian stuffiness, and TTL pre-war Germany was not that different in culture and attitudes to OTL Germany.
 
In terms of Catholic Irish and Australasia perhaps the former would just choose to settle largely in other parts of the federation which didn't have such a strong bias? By now communication would probably be sufficient that they could actually know generally the differences between various parts of the Antipodeans, and as has been said there's always been loads of Irish Catholics in Vic and NSW.

I think people were quite aware of the distinctions between bits of NZ and Australia back in the Home Islands. Communications were pretty good and chain migration certainly was a thing. People went back all the time too.

The lower South Island especially would be known to be Presbyterian friendly, being that it was founded by the Free Church but then all of the country would be, excepting the West Coast of the South Island. NZ was also long thought to be friendly to dissenters/non conformists of the agricultural workers organising flavour too, which drew in a lot of Southern English types.

The West Coast seems to be the major point of conflict as it was the one place where Irish Catholics formed a large part of the community, if not a majority, then a plurality. They didn't have to take the abuse lying down. If anyone is interested I recently found an old MA thesis on the the Catholic experience in the West Coast, specifically focusing on the impact of the French and Irish influences on the early Church. The French being the founders of Catholicism in NZ and the Irish being the principle flock. The latter clearly preferring their own flavour than the French.
 
Interesting - I hadn't known there were so many Ulstermen in NZ. I imagine that some of them would have been Imperial supporters while others would be torn between support of the Protestants in Ulster and dislike of the Imperial attitude toward the dominions. If many of them were like Massey in their attitude toward the Maori, that could also have pushed them away from the Imperials.

I'd imagine, though, that relations between Irish Protestants and Catholics in NZ would have been pretty bad during the late 1910s and early 20s, and this could have reinforced the movement for separate schools that a couple of your linked articles talk about. Maybe there would be a lingering anti-Catholic strain in NZ politics into the 1930s, although being part of a larger federation might help mute it.

It is really hard to know quite what your Imperial story arc would do to any of the Dominions, NZ included. I am more interested in the latter, as you would expect, but I can't imagine how complicated say Canada would be. I read a couple of survey works on their history before I visited a year or two ago and was rather shocked as it seemed even more complicated than NZ! In hindsight I should not have been, but the more you know right?

That country, for all its current peaceful reputation seems to have been about as mad as a bunch of cats in a bag of snakes until recent times. Specifically relating to religious issues, Orange lodges etc, which as I'm sure you will appreciate would play well with the Quebec people and their issues.

Anyway, back on topic.

I think that the separate communities/schooling would largely be in place by the rise of the Imperials, as the driver IOTL was several decades earlier.

A lot of the Irish Catholic/Labour movement was quite Australian in origin IOTL, fleeing to NZ to what they thought was safer territory, during or before WW1. Would they moved between states IATL? Maybe not. Which state - North Island/South Island?

Does the Great War have a net positive like it sort of did IOTL - the creation of a wider sense of nationhood that supplants in part the prior loyalties? If this happens a decade earlier than OTL maybe the ATL identity is quite different?

It might be harder to paint socialism/Labour/Big Government as being Catholic/Irish Catholic?

How much did the OTL federation's formation and political issues detract or diffuse state political issues OTL?

So perhaps the OTL fractures are not so similar here? The more I think about it the less I think you should change anything. The war finished 25 years before the events in Ulster reached their climax. All the key personalities and political background will be so wildly different that you cannot easily make a story arc. The story could be very interesting but it would require you to do a lot of research and thinking about what is a periphery to a periphery to your main purpose in writing this timeline.
 
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There was a famous artist colony in the village of Worpswede, not far from Bremen, during the late 19th and early 20th century (actually, it still exists, but its glory days are long gone); I googled "Worpswede 1920" and came up with a lot of nice landscape pictures.

Thanks! Those paintings were great, and I substituted one of them.

I think they would exist - after all, they were a reaction against Wilhelminian stuffiness, and TTL pre-war Germany was not that different in culture and attitudes to OTL Germany.

That seems reasonable, especially since there was no sharp break with Wilhelmine values after the war - there's been an evolution toward democracy and social liberalism in some respects, but a lot of the stuffiness is still there. The last update showed working-class people letting their hair down in a socially approved manner, but I suspect the middle-class kids' follies will be of an entirely different order.

And they're Wandervögel, after all, so some of them will travel.

A lot of the Irish Catholic/Labour movement was quite Australian in origin IOTL, fleeing to NZ to what they thought was safer territory, during or before WW1. Would they moved between states IATL? Maybe not. Which state - North Island/South Island?

Does the Great War have a net positive like it sort of did IOTL - the creation of a wider sense of nationhood that supplants in part the prior loyalties? If this happens a decade earlier than OTL maybe the ATL identity is quite different?

It might be harder to paint socialism/Labour/Big Government as being Catholic/Irish Catholic?

How much did the OTL federation's formation and political issues detract or diffuse state political issues OTL?

You've given me a lot to think about. I suspect that, with federation, fewer of the Australian labor activists will move to NZ, but on the other hand, there will be more travel back and forth, and possibly more mutual support. If the NZ labor movement is part of a larger Australasian movement, as it may well be, then it might still be associated with Catholicism - but as you also suggest, membership in the federation might tend to mute political trends in the states and merge them with the politics of the union as a whole.

I think the Great War would be seen as a positive, especially since it was what led to federation in the first place - it will be considered a major nation-building event. On the other hand, by the time of the struggles in the 1910s and 20s, the war will have receded into the background.

My gut feeling is that, although some factors will cancel each other out, the net result will be a more "Australian" New Zealand, allied to the more socially progressive states of Australia, albeit with some features (most notably the Maori) that keep it distinct. I won't decide anything now, but you've given me a lot to work with the next time I need to figure out what's happening offstage.
 
Great! That is basically the area where I am from! Ok I lived a bit more to the south of Bremerhaven nearer to Bremen itself, but that is still really close, especially for a tl that started so far away. And not everyday you can read about a Kohlfahrt on this site.

And I am really interested what will become of Bremerhaven itl if like otl the shipbuilding shrinks and the haven automatises. Both are more or less inevitable in my opinion and have left Bremerhaven as one of the poorest West-German cities.

But it is still fascinating how early immigration (and integration) starts itls Germany. You would have to add more than 50 years to see things like this otl.

Do you think Malagasy cooking would add new smoked fish to its meals and mix it with their own recipes? This could taste well. (Maybe you notice, that my parents often drove to Bremerhaven simply to get cheap and great tasting smoked fish and prawns.)
 
Re changes across the board.

Well, I guess you will need to decide how important the Legion was in Australasia. I would imagine not very as it is both too far and too easy to control young men who were thinking about joining. However there may be migrants post war who were veterans.

Anyway, the Pope actually having a proper army, under arms against the Empire would probably heighten everyone's tensions. The anti Catholic rhetoric already being at a high level IOTL! I wonder if you would see activity akin to what happened to German cultural influence during WW1 in Anglophone countries.

I'm not sure if you've come across the agricultural labourer /labour leagues movements in England especially during the 1860s-70s, but you may find it interesting either way.

The union/s seemed to quickly become interested or co-opted by NZ emigration agents. It seems that they managed to, with the leadership's co-operation, convince several thousand to migrate.

Premier Vogel was, during part of this period, pretty keen on sponsoring labour.

http://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-ArnFart-c4.html
 
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Anyway, the Pope actually having a proper army, under arms against the Empire would probably heighten everyone's tensions. The anti Catholic rhetoric already being at a high level IOTL! I wonder if you would see activity akin to what happened to German cultural influence during WW1 in Anglophone countries.

That was something that gave me pause, and offers some dark implications for Catholics in non-Catholic nations (not just the dominions) ITTL. A lot of anti-Catholic conspiracy theories had, at their core, the idea that the Roman Catholic Church was at least as much a political organization as a religious one, that Catholics were more loyal to the Church than to their nations, and that they would turn against their host nation on the Church's orders. In OTL, of course, these wild theories proved to be entirely unfounded, but ITTL, the experience of the Church explicitly supporting the FAR powers in the Great War and organizing the Papal Legion to support it, as well as the subsequent rise of political Catholicism in the form of Belgian-style authoritarianism (often stemming from populist Papal Legion veterans), is likely giving a lot of people in Protestant countries pause. The acceptance of Catholics in ostensibly Protestant countries has likely been set back a few decades at least, as anti-Catholics are likely still waving the bloody shirt of the Papal Legion in the '30s. The Christian ecumenicism that developed in OTL's late 20th century has almost certainly been butterflied away, and by 2000 I wouldn't be surprised to see Catholics in the US and the dominions being about as accepted as Mormons in OTL; regarded as Christian by their Protestant peers, but still seen as an "other" by most of them, with a largely separate culture from the Protestant/secular mainstream.

Hmm... if Catholics face more obstacles in integrating, could we see the development of uniquely Catholic media in some countries? IOTL, we have the example of the evangelical media, with its own movies, books, pop music, and dating sites, and TTL has also shown an embryonic African-American media centered on South Carolina and likely spreading rapidly with the fall of Jim Crow at the same time as the birth of radio and film. I wouldn't be surprised to see some American Catholics responding to greater discrimination by turning inward and making their own alternatives to secular/Protestant media.
 
Great! That is basically the area where I am from! Ok I lived a bit more to the south of Bremerhaven nearer to Bremen itself, but that is still really close, especially for a tl that started so far away.

Happy to oblige. I was only around there once, a long time ago, but I have good memories of the place.

And I am really interested what will become of Bremerhaven itl if like otl the shipbuilding shrinks and the haven automatises. Both are more or less inevitable in my opinion and have left Bremerhaven as one of the poorest West-German cities.

It does seem inevitable, and the question is whether the city can find some other industry to fill the gap - given that it's one of Germany's most international cities in TTL, maybe banking or media.

Do you think Malagasy cooking would add new smoked fish to its meals and mix it with their own recipes?

Almost certainly - like any immigrant group, they'd pick up the local foods. They'd eat smoked fish over rice (every meal in Madagascar involves rice), possibly with greens and a peanut sauce.

Well, I guess you will need to decide how important the Legion was in Australasia. I would imagine not very as it is both too far and too easy to control young men who were thinking about joining. However there may be migrants post war who were veterans.

It definitely wouldn't have been important during the war: not only was it a long way off, but joining would be treason, which would give pause to many who might otherwise sympathize. There might be some postwar immigrants from Ireland, and maybe also from southern or eastern Europe, who served in the Legion, but they might not be as comfortable stirring the political pot in a new country as they would be at home. Their children might, but by that time the Legion values would be attenuated into a more generalized populism.

Anyway, the Pope actually having a proper army, under arms against the Empire would probably heighten everyone's tensions. The anti Catholic rhetoric already being at a high level IOTL! I wonder if you would see activity akin to what happened to German cultural influence during WW1 in Anglophone countries.

It would be harder to root out a religion than a national culture. There's a reason why the Kulturkampf failed, and I suspect any attempt to repress Catholicism in public life would only last a few years. With that said, though, I could imagine near-Kulturkampf levels of anti-Catholicism in some of the dominions during the war, and hostility to any explicit (or even not-so-explicit) Catholic politics for years afterward.

I'm not sure if you've come across the agricultural labourer /labour leagues movements in England especially during the 1860s-70s, but you may find it interesting either way.

I haven't actually - it's interesting reading.

That was something that gave me pause, and offers some dark implications for Catholics in non-Catholic nations (not just the dominions) ITTL. A lot of anti-Catholic conspiracy theories had, at their core, the idea that the Roman Catholic Church was at least as much a political organization as a religious one, that Catholics were more loyal to the Church than to their nations, and that they would turn against their host nation on the Church's orders. In OTL, of course, these wild theories proved to be entirely unfounded, but ITTL, the experience of the Church explicitly supporting the FAR powers in the Great War and organizing the Papal Legion to support it, as well as the subsequent rise of political Catholicism in the form of Belgian-style authoritarianism (often stemming from populist Papal Legion veterans), is likely giving a lot of people in Protestant countries pause.

I imagine it would, especially since the dominant form of political Catholicism is anti-nationalist, which would fuel fears of an international Catholic network. I suspect that the postwar popes have tried to mitigate the effect of the Legion by urging Catholics to obey the laws of the countries where they live and to fight for justice within the law, but that will only go so far. I agree that there will be more anti-Catholicism in Protestant countries ITTL than IOTL, although this will probably be social prejudice rather than legal discrimination.

I wonder if Jews might not be a closer analogue than Mormons - Jews are often stereotyped as an international network loyal only to themselves. The "Christians but not like us" attitude would be there, as you say, but anti-Catholic prejudice ITTL might also include many traditional anti-Semitic tropes. I'd also guess that Catholics in Protestant countries would face the same choice between integration/assimilation and separatism that Jews do, and that a movement toward an alternative culture (which I agree would exist, especially where Catholics are a relatively small minority) would be opposed by a movement to become more culturally Protestant than the Protestants. ("More Catholic than the Pope" probably wouldn't work well here.)

I might explore this in a future update, possibly the next time we get around to the United States or the UK.

Update toward the end of the week - among other things, it will feature Wandervögel in southern Africa and an African youth movement that they inspire, because nothing says "1930s German empire" like globetrotting hippies. :p
 
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I should point out that anti-Catholicism often veered closer to the darker side of anti-Semitism IOTL; you had things like imagining nunneries to be rape stations for male priests, with infant bodies buried beneath them, which seems to be edging rather close to the blood libel to me.

So it's quite likely here, as well.
 
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