making the world wars more violent?

Warsie

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There were certain diversions in OTL where WWII was not so violent and destructive. Let's change some:

Paris is WRECKED when the allies take it as the SS demolishes everything a la original orders of hitler. The rhine bridges are fully demolished as well as other POD like the soviet army going straight for germany as opposed as southern europe meaning more of germany is controlled by ussr = more rape looting rampage revenge reparations. Erm looting isn't an 'r' :p

The SS shoots all the Jews rather than 'death march' them. The SS kills as many of them as possible as some SS units wasted time/resources on hiding it and some stopped or tried stopping it tokeep from becoming 'war criminals'.

The germans are better at bombing and torpedoing britain into starvation.

The Japanese are better in naval battles delaying their collapse. The japanese adopt iwo jima tactics earlier increasing the Us death count. White american soldiers massacre japanese POWS worse than OTL. White Americans decrease the quality of concentration camps for japanese americans. US nukes japan more. Operaton Downfall happens.

Spain and Portugal join the Axis meaning they are directly in the war.

Have a hypothetical brazilian/argentinian spat like in HOI II.

For WWI: British navy is damaged more in jutland as could jappen.. Paris is conquered by Germany. Ottoman Empire collapse fully and Turkish War of Independence a failure. Russia disintegrates as a coherent political entity. Britain has a revolution and the US annexes Canada.

This is not per se a 'central powers or axis wins WWIIK just a 'make more people die in the wars and cause more destruction than OTL'.
 
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Here's one you didn't mention. Prolong WWI by two years and watch the world flounder in the face of the Spanish flu and a World War.
 
There were certain diversions in OTL where WWII was not so violent and destructive.

By early Winter 1941 German troops held strategic positions broadly defined (by rail hubs) as the line Leningrad-Moscow-Rostov. As serious political repercussions occurred throughout the Bolshevik Party and Soviet State, the capacity of the Soviet Union to initiate a significant winter offensive was crippled.

This gave the Wehrmacht all the time and space it needed to comply with the hastily developed racialist and food extraction policies. While many historians of the Great Starvation have focused on the actual monstrosity of the starvation of Soviet citizens during 1941, or the desire by the Nazi State and the Wehrmacht's complicity in attempting to starve all slavs in the USSR to the West of the controlled line, revisionist histories in the past thirty years have noted the fundamental impossibility of achieving the stated goals. Attempts to read inability to comply as non-compliance lead to Holdgagen's controversial Hitler's unwilling executioners: Wehrmacht non-compliance with the 1941 orders.

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I'm guessing that's 60 to 80 million off the top of my head.

yours,
Sam R.
 
India revolts, Churchill cracks down like he wanted to do ...

...just as Subhas Chandra Bose arrives back in country.

The blood bath that would follow would make Europe's troubles look like child's play.
 
Man, this is sick....


Ok, you want more rape, looting, rampage etc.? have japan conquer all of China. Have the USSR beat back the German army all the way too Paris. Have the Germans win barbarossa. Can you keep track of the atrocities?

Want more death and destruction? Have Germany invent the Atomic bomb between 1940-1945. Have the USA invade the Japanese Homelands with Operation downfall. Have the Allies do D-day at the Frisian islands. can you count the millions of deaths?

I don't know about you, but my heart is racing right now.
 
This is extremely easy with WWII: have the USSR win its war very rapidly indeed and then a gigantic Soviet-Japanese land war in China coupled with a joint US-Soviet invasion of the Home Islands. The German invasion collapses in two years and the Soviets spend the next overrunning the Balkans and ala Korea establishing their occupation zone before the Allies even get into Germany, then in the agreement in the altered joint conferences the Soviets move in six months of the European war's end to Asia where as Japan is busy losing the attrition war in the Pacific the Soviets move massive numbers of troops to the China theater and proceed to open a can of whoop-ass and prepare with the USA a joint invasion of the Japanese Home Islands. The USA's progressive advances in the Pacific in the wake of Soviet victories on land lead to a Tacitean victory of the Allies in the main Japanese archipelago, now divided between North and South Japan and Jiang Jieshi now the loyal ally of the Soviets whose NKVD quietly has slaughtered all the dangerous warlords and Mao for him to ensure a conciliatory regime ruling China and Soviet domination of Manchuria as the far southeastern portion of the USSR...
 
Well, IMO the one odd thing about the second world war was that, in the midst of a completely brutal total war, nobody resorted to chemical or biological weapons (with the exception of some of Japan's experiments in China). Even in the midst of the most terrible war in histoy, deterrence for the most part held. If Germany had struck first and the allies had retaliated with nerve gas and anthrax, things could have been far worse in Europe. Same for Japan if they'd started using bioweapons against the US and the States retaliated.
 
Well, IMO the one odd thing about the second world war was that, in the midst of a completely brutal total war, nobody resorted to chemical or biological weapons (with the exception of some of Japan's experiments in China). Even in the midst of the most terrible war in histoy, deterrence for the most part held. If Germany had struck first and the allies had retaliated with nerve gas and anthrax, things could have been far worse in Europe. Same for Japan if they'd started using bioweapons against the US and the States retaliated.

Why is it odd? MAD means exactly that, its why it works. Killing the enemy is fine as long as it doesnt involve comitting suicide yourself at the same time.
 

Warsie

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Well, IMO the one odd thing about the second world war was that, in the midst of a completely brutal total war, nobody resorted to chemical or biological weapons (with the exception of some of Japan's experiments in China). Even in the midst of the most terrible war in histoy, deterrence for the most part held. If Germany had struck first and the allies had retaliated with nerve gas and anthrax, things could have been far worse in Europe. Same for Japan if they'd started using bioweapons against the US and the States retaliated.

The germans didn't use it in WWII because it was inaccuraate and. Had a risk of hittin alliedunits eetc.
 
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