You mean how like ancient Celtic kings would f**k a horse to please the goddess Epona?
You mean how like ancient Celtic kings would f**k a horse to please the goddess Epona?
Wait, did that really happen? I know that was said to be the case for Irish kings, but I thought that was just a Hibernophobic myth.
Mesoamericans IOTL is already quite unusual in their human sacrifices and cannibalism as major sustenance. If the Europeans never conquered The Aztecs and let them evolve for another 300-400 years, their society could evolve into even more dystopian society coming from the deepest of Nightmares. Mayans are only marginally better, but then, they are already on the decline when the Europeans come.
Not that this justify the brutality of the Spanish conquest themselves, but...
Wait, did that really happen? I know that was said to be the case for Irish kings, but I thought that was just a Hibernophobic myth.
You win the thread.Imagine, if you will, a society that by and large embraces a linear view of history..,
Wow, I thought this was going into "weird syncretisms and unlikely cultures" instead of horsefucking.
Anyways... There was a really good idea I liked about Eastern Asian influenced Mesoamerica and Andes. Imagine how the cyclical buddhist/hindu ideals of time would interact with the world ages of Mesoamerican culture, and the "eight million gods" beliefs of Shinto with the Huacas of Andean belief. I'm painting broad strokes here because it could be an infinitely interesting interexchange of culture.
An Australian culture would be pretty interesting too. There's Lands Of Red And Gold (haven't read it yet but it's at the top of my list) but there could be also hybrid Polynesian/ or Indonesian/Australian cultures.
My deepest apologies for that. I just wanted to point out that something like that might have actually existed. I did not mean to turn the thread into that. I actually found the initial idea very interesting, but was too busy to post anything serious at the time (as I am now). I will try to post something constructive here eventually to make up for the horse thing.
Wait, is there any connection between ancient Celtic kings screwing horses and the modern day "sheep-shagger" stereotype of Scots and especially Welshmen?You mean how like ancient Celtic kings would f**k a horse to please the goddess Epona?
Mesoamericans IOTL is already quite unusual in their human sacrifices and cannibalism as major sustenance. If the Europeans never conquered The Aztecs and let them evolve for another 300-400 years, their society could evolve into even more dystopian society coming from the deepest of Nightmares. Mayans are only marginally better, but then, they are already on the decline when the Europeans come.
Not that this justify the brutality of the Spanish conquest themselves, but...
Because they were fed up with all the human sacrifices and "Flower Wars" to provide said human sacrifices to Aztecs. While they all have human sacrifices and ritual cannibalism to some extent, the Aztec Nobles and Elite Soldiers actually sustain themselves on regular human meat consumption.Brutality... I suppose you refer to the Black Legend:
* Most of the forces that defeated Aztecs were mesoamericans,
* Most mesoamerican languages had a written grammar before English did,
* The first universities in the Americas date back to the 1530s,
* Mesoamericans were not naturals of a colony, they had the same rights as peninsular Spaniards... after the 1555 controversial, they had even more: child labour war forbidden three centuries before than in France,
* Of course it was impossible to implement the Leyes de Indias, and the crown had a hard time doing it, but Portuguese, French, Dutch, not to mention English colonies did not have anything similar.
Because publicly displaying severed heads left and right and leaving the bodies of hanged criminals dangling from a gibbet and tarred for preservation is fine, but shrinking some severed heads is just way too out there? Goes to show how arbitrary "most unusual culture" can be, especially since lots of people seem to be going for examples of violence without fully understanding just how violent western culture was prior to the present day.Honestly anything with head shrinking and cannibalism
I'd like to see you present some valid evidence for that mass cannibalism that isn't that controversial and highly dubious "cannibal kingdom" book. Also, Flower Wars were waged against independent states which agreed to them because both sides shared the same religion and would both take captives for sacrifice. The main reason so many people turned on the Aztecs was that the Aztecs were the dominant power and they were not, just like what often happened everywhere else in the world. If the Mongols traveled through time to attack ancient Rome do you not think Rome's enemies and some client states would rally behind the khan?Because they were fed up with all the human sacrifices and "Flower Wars" to provide said human sacrifices to Aztecs. While they all have human sacrifices and ritual cannibalism to some extent, the Aztec Nobles and Elite Soldiers actually sustain themselves on regular human meat consumption.
Neither of those is Maya.Which was formed by Catholic Monks under Spanish Colonial authority, those are neither successors of the (sp?) Calmecac nor Tlahuezo (both are war-schools for Aztec and Mayan Nobles btw)
I'd like you to present valid reputation of BOTH the Spanish reports AND The Aztec's and Maya's own Codices about how they sacrifice ten thousands of people regularly and those many human parts-in-pots, alongside the recipes, are just "ritualistic" instead of being parts of Daily Menu. Especially when the codices scenes of cannibalism are drawn near scenes that are recognizably Daily Situations such as children playing, market traders trading, farmers farming, etc, instead of located inside the recognizably mythological/religious parts.I'd like to see you present some valid evidence for that mass cannibalism that isn't that controversial and highly dubious "cannibal kingdom" book.
Rational reading of the codices? Can you read a codex? Do you even know the content of the few surviving codices? I don't believe Maya codices on astronomical tables are a valid representation of a dinner menu, let alone proof that they cooked up and ate people all the damn time. You made the claim the Aztecs and the Maya ate people on the regular, the burden of proof is on you. Nothing I've read from (translated as I don't speak Mayan) Mayan literature indicated they gobbled people up at all, and claims of Aztec ritual cannibalism are still debated, the idea of it being regular being laughed at. Spanish accounts are hardly unbiased but the less ridiculous ones make no mention of mass cannibalism. Otherwise the people who claim that the natives worshipped white men as gods are not going to be taken as authoritative sources by me.I'd like you to present valid reputation of BOTH the Spanish reports AND The Aztec's and Maya's own Codices about how they sacrifice ten thousands of people regularly and those many human parts-in-pots, alongside the recipes, are just "ritualistic" instead of being parts of Daily Menu. Especially when the codices scenes of cannibalism are drawn near scenes that are recognizably Daily Situations such as children playing, market traders trading, farmers farming, etc, instead of located inside the recognizably mythological/religious parts.
The ball is in your court because of any rational readings of the Codices will show that both Aztec and Mayans are indeed, cultures that have cannibalism so deeply ingrained within their society.
Those are pictograms, many pictures there and yes, you could read them as some sort of horror comics of some sort.Rational reading of the codices? Can you read a codex? Do you even know the content of the few surviving codices?