Majority African-descended country/enclave in Eurasia (pre-1900 of course)

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: Before 1900' started by Nabongo Mumia II, May 12, 2019.

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  1. Nabongo Mumia II Well-Known Member

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    My best bet would be a state in Iberia populated mostly by the descendants of Moors and theirbAfrican slaves or a prolonged Janjira state. This includes North Africans and Sub Saharan Africans.
     
  2. twovultures Best leagues are NFL, FIFA, and Shmalkaldic

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    Your proposal is definitely a likely one.

    One possibility: the Ancient Ethiopians succeed in conquering Mecca, and establish an occupying force in Arabia. This force provides a base to which migration from Africa occurs. Eventually, silting harbors and political instability cause Ethiopia to lose its ability to project power, but by then the Arabo-Ethiopians have become entrenched and successfully found their own state. However, they are not able to keep control over their Arab vassals, and so the state becomes a small and egalitarian enclave rather than an empire with an originally foreign elite.
     
  3. Byzantion Well-Known Member

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    There actually had been historically plenty of little enclaves with considerable number if people of African descent in the Middle East and in Turkey. Also in Caucasus (Georgia). In Greece there are also a villages with peoples of unknown African origin ( maybe Sudan).
     
  4. Revachah ::purveyor of side-eye and teeth sucking:::

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    Make Cabo Verde a province of Portugal.
     
  5. Planet of Hats Chartreuse Smoking Mirror Donor

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    That wouldn't technically be a "majority African" state. After a certain point, most Andalusian Muslims were Muladies - that is, Hispano-Roman, Iberian and Gothic people who converted to Islam.
     
  6. twistedirregular Negus Negast

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    Have Russia establish a foothold in Africa via becoming more involved in the construction of the Suez Canal during the 1830s, paving the way for Russia to establish a colony encompassing Eritrea and Djibouti while slowly transforming Ethiopia into a protectorate. Over time, Ethiopian immigration to Russia begins to pick up and sees an Ethiopian majority form somewhere in European Russia by the time the First World War comes around - depending on what happens from then, you might see said enclave grow or decline.
     
  7. Byzantion Well-Known Member

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    Syria and Iraq ist possible ? Just need the rulers decide to settle former converted slaves and descendends there. Maybe Fulani from Guinea for example.
     
  8. Dathi THorfinnsson Daði Þorfinnsson

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    We are ALL of African origin.
     
  9. Captain Seafort Well-Known Member

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    Beat me to it by a few seconds. :)
     
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  10. Haileselassiethetrapgawd Therestlessyorubawiththebestess

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    Their was one in India ruled by Ethiopians. Can’t remember what they were called.
     
  11. Revachah ::purveyor of side-eye and teeth sucking:::

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    It's in the original post Janjira :)
     
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  12. SeaCambrian Well-Known Member

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    Even thousands of years after that, the whole Afro-Asiatic language family comes from Africa.

    Alternatively, another ancient possibility would be to have Ancient Egypt continue to have a series of native dynastic kingdoms and assimilate the Levant over time.
     
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  13. Arcavius Arms and the Man I Sing

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    I remember the event for them from EU4.
     
  14. ArchimedesCircle Radical Groucho-Marxist

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    If North Africans count, maybe something with the emirate of Crete? Crete is small enough that enough sustained immigration from North Africa could give us a majority Berber population. Plus, the fact that it's an island makes it harder to invade. You just need to knock the Byzantines down a peg so that they can't reconquer the island.
     
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  15. Mort the Reaper Well-Known Member

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    You mean Cape Verde? I don't think changing its political status would make it geographically part of Eurasia, any more than French Guiana is today.
     
  16. Kaze Well-Known Member

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    How about Sicily? With the right kind of circumstances Sicily would be a good place to have a nation. It is not far from Tunisia.

    Background - parts of Sicily was controlled by Carthaginian states. But let us jump ahead to the Muslim expansion in the 2nd and 3rd century = there was attempts to land and colonize the island and attempts at conversion, most of these attempts would finally fail with the coming of the Normans.

    more info here ---

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emirate_of_Sicily
     
  17. Byzantion Well-Known Member

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    Yemen becoming more populated by Habesha people.
     
  18. Revachah ::purveyor of side-eye and teeth sucking:::

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    As of 2013 the nation wants to officially be known as Cabo Verde.

    Secondly Cabo Verdeans have a long history of travel being that many were sailors and captains of ships reaching and settling in communities Hawaii, Argentina & the United States. While Portuguese subjects and citizens were migrating out of the country in the 19th and early 20th century by having Cabo Verde be a province by the early to mid 19th century you'll have 1. an Ethnic enclave in Europe be counted as significantly non-white but 2. have late 19th and early 20th century nation be arguably of color not only in Lisbon but throughout the country as a whole. Especially if Cabo Verdeans are able to gain literacy and other skills in trade most portuguese don't necessarily have that allows them positions in society that are not agrarian
     
  19. Gloss Well-Known Member

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    If Cape/Cabo Verde would count as being in Europe in this context, why doesn't OTL Caribbean islands under Europe do as well? Also I'm not sure why Portugal would change its character by just by adding what amounts 5% of its IOTL population
     
  20. Revachah ::purveyor of side-eye and teeth sucking:::

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    The history of Cabo Verde is the first Portuguese colony with the longest history of continuous Lusophone influence on Earth. It was and remained into the late 19th century the first stopping point to the New World and/or the rounding of the Cape of Good Hope. The population being majority mixed race, non-agrarian, catholic and identifying with the Portuguese Mainland.

    All these points are useful in have an ethnic enclave (a portion of territory within or surrounded by a larger territory whose inhabitants are culturally or ethnically distinct) with an island base that can in specialist occupations make significant cultural shifts on the mainland.