Magna Carta and Angevin possessions.

Even if King John retained his Norman and Angevin territories in France, could a situation still occur leading to the forced signing of the Magna Carta? And what would it mean for the futures of France and England if they fall under the virtual dominance of an empowered Baronial class which limits the authority of the Plantagenets and the Capetians in Paris?
 
John only signed the Magna Cara because he had too, and reputiated it as soon as he could, so if he had allies he could call on elsewhere then he would not have signed it at all.

As for France the Magna Carta was the first limitation set on Kings in Europe, the French Kings always acted without limits so they would have been better but less flamoyant.
 
John was pretty high-handed towards his vassals in Normandy and Anjou, something which he paid the price for when many nobles switched sides in favour of Philip Augustus. After the Capetian conquests in north-western France in 1204, there was some legal wrangling during the peace periods for the next forty years, involving nobles on both sides of the English Channel, who were trying to regain their lost estates in either England or Normandy. Many of the Anglo-Norman/Angevin top brass had estates based as far as Ireland and Ile-de-France. Even after the OTL conquest of Normandy by Philip Augustus, there was some resistance to the encroachments of royal authority against the Norman Law of the duchy.

Even if the action is delayed, there might some factors, mainly the political and financial self-interests of the nobility, favouring the rise of a parliamentary body in the still Plantagenet realms.
 
not quite sure why magna carta would ever extend to France or French territory. the French barons stood to gain more by defecting to the king of France than they did by holding their lord to account. they were also far more accustomed to a system where lords held themselves to be untouchable and bound by no rules. heck, they might even gave just cause to fear that forcing a magna carta on their lord night result in their own vassals doing the same back to them...
 
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