Magda Goebbels & children survive

nyudnik

Banned
Goebbels 6 children were injected to death.

WI they had survived the war? In the last 2 years of the war, Gobbels speeches and propaganda literally fuelled the German will to fight the the end, even more than Hitler, who was virtually absent to the populace, and millions more died as a direct result of the "Poison Dwarf".

Wuld the world take kindly to the continued existence of his "spawn"?

How would their fates have differed if captured by the Russians? And by the Anglo-Americans? And if Magda had also survived
 

Raymann

Banned
They would have been let go if captured by the Russians. Reformed famous Nazi's were valuable to the Communists, the Chinese for instance let their former emperor live if he would support the new order. If his wife somehow escaped to the West, I can't imagine any way history would change. They would probably be like Rommel's son, going on the history channel and all talking about his father.
 
Well Magda's fears were that they would all be raped and then killed by the Russians, and frankly I agree with her. It was the pattern of Russian occupation, and regardless of age it would happen to them. Horrible as it sounds, being poisoned by their mother probably saved the girls from a much worse ending.

Grey Wolf
 
I doubt there would be much difference. Consider how many children of high ranking Nazis survived. Himmler's, Goering's, Rosenberg's (who used to live in same apartment block as another Rosenbergs who were Jews :D ), Ribentropp's (including one who was tanker in LSSAH) etc etc....

But it also depends on what they would do after the war. Would they try to keep low profile, rehabilitate their father....
 
aktarian said:
I doubt there would be much difference. Consider how many children of high ranking Nazis survived. Himmler's, Goering's, Rosenberg's (who used to live in same apartment block as another Rosenbergs who were Jews :D ), Ribentropp's (including one who was tanker in LSSAH) etc etc....

But it also depends on what they would do after the war. Would they try to keep low profile, rehabilitate their father....

Yes, but the Goebbels kids will be taken in Berlin at its fall by the Soviets. I've read, and seen interviews, about enough places that the Russians occupied to have a fairly good idea what will happen to Magda and the girls. OK, in not all cases were the victims killed after multiple rapes, but I think with these being the brood of Goebbels, they'd delight in killing them in a nasty way once they'd finished raping them.

Grey Wolf
 

NapoleonXIV

Banned
I doubt that. These were highly visible people and also they were children. The allies in particular would have condemned such an atrocity and it might even have fueled the 'on to Moscow' enthusiasts, of whose existence Stalin was no doubt well informed. Stalin probably had very specific orders as to them and I can't see these allowing their deaths.

OTOH I would not sell them long term policies after war's end, particularly if they were to try and rehab father's name in any way. I see them living very obscure and quiet existences, although they might try and use family connections to make comfortable careers in East German government if one or another of them becomes a showcase communist.
 
Magda did have one son who survived the war because he had been captured in Italy, Harald Quandt. He was born in 1921 and lived with the Goebbels for several years until he joined the Luftwaffe.

I'm sorry that I don't remember many details but this son's story was published in an article in an American magazine like Life or Saturday Evening Post in the 1960s or 1970s and it told of his evolution from die-hard Nazi losing his entire family (the Goebbels deaths) to rehabilitation.

He apparently wasn't into politics at all unlike Mussolini's granddaughter in Italy.
 
Yes, but the Goebbels kids will be taken in Berlin at its fall by the Soviets. I've read, and seen interviews, about enough places that the Russians occupied to have a fairly good idea what will happen to Magda and the girls. OK, in not all cases were the victims killed after multiple rapes, but I think with these being the brood of Goebbels, they'd delight in killing them in a nasty way once they'd finished raping them.

Grey Wolf

I find it hard to belive that the Red Army would rape small kids younger than ten as most of the kids were. I have read many books about the revenge the Red Army took, and they seem to have never molested kids like that.

I think that the only two women in danger of that in that family was Magda and the oldest daughter(who struggled when she was drugged because she knew what the outcome would be)
 
As another poster pointed out before, these were high-value people. They would not be treated the same as the average German. The Red Army did not suddenly deteriorate into a vicious mob when they entered Berlin, the rapes and looting were tolerated by the command within clearly defined limits (the wife of a promionent actor was raped by Soviet soldiers, and as soon as the officer in charge found out he assigned the family quarters guarded by military police and profusely apologised. If an actor merited that, you can guess what a minister could command).

Probably arrest and detention, with medals and a photo-op for their captors, debriefing, and a gentle (by Soviet standards) reeducation followed by release as New Germans.

And a lucrative three-volume book contract with the West German press after 1950.
 
The children could have been sent somewhere relatively safe in Western Germany to await the end of the war. Magda Goebbles was a crazy b**** who didn't want her children to live in a world without National Socialism.

I saw the movie "Downfall" about the end of the Third Reich. The hardest scene to watch was Magda poisoning her own children. God have mercy on her.
 
The children could have been sent somewhere relatively safe in Western Germany to await the end of the war. Magda Goebbles was a crazy b**** who didn't want her children to live in a world without National Socialism.

I saw the movie "Downfall" about the end of the Third Reich. The hardest scene to watch was Magda poisoning her own children. God have mercy on her.

oh yes this scene show clear the Madness of National Socialism

back to Wi they Survied the war in save place like Swiz
the childern of big Nazi Like Speer, Himmler etc
try to live a quiet live without National Socialism
the Goebbels children will be no exception to that.
 
How many children of high-profile Nazis survived in the EAST ? All the examples I can think of were in the Western zone, and I think maybe that says something in itself

Best Regards
Grey Wolf
 
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