MacArthur vs. Roosevelt 1944

I just recently discovered that General MacArthur was being seriously considering a run for the Presidency in 1944. However, with him off running a campaign in the Southwest Pacific and losing multiple primaries, his chances of running, let alone winning, were completely shot.

So, what if MacArthur manages to the Wisconsin primary? Does he stand a chance at winning? And secondly, what happens if he wins?
 

Paul Large

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No one was beating Roosevelt in 44 not a chance plus MacArthur was out of touch with America. He was a 19th century war lord not an American President.
 
No one was beating Roosevelt in 44 not a chance plus MacArthur was out of touch with America. He was a 19th century war lord not an American President.

I would have to concur. FDR was still an electoral juggernaut in 1944.

Now come 1948...that MIGHT be a different story, but that's a whole other thread.
 
I could only see Roosevelt losing if the United States suffers a series of disastrous defeats in 1944 - say, a scenario where D-Day fails and the Battle of Leyte Gulf goes the other way.
 
I could only see Roosevelt losing if the United States suffers a series of disastrous defeats in 1944 - say, a scenario where D-Day fails and the Battle of Leyte Gulf goes the other way.

Which might reflect even worse on Macarthur than on Roosevelt.
 
Yeah, Leyte Gulf probably was not the greatest example that I could have used, but you take my broader point.

Oh absolutely, Just pointing out that even if a military defeat would sink Roosevelt that is unlikely to gain a military opponent
 
A shift of 2.5% in the electoral College would've saw the GOP candidate defeat FDR, and 1944 was his weakest year by far with potential concerns about health dogging him.
 
A shift of 2.5% in the electoral College would've saw the GOP candidate defeat FDR, and 1944 was his weakest year by far with potential concerns about health dogging him.
Yeah the main reason he won IMO was the fact a global war of survival was going on. Otherwise IMO Dewey would've won.
 
Why I think a MacArthur nomination is very unlikely:

"MacArthur’s main rivals in 1944 were New York governor Thomas Dewey, former presidential candidate and Republican Party president Wendell Willkie, and Minnesota governor Harold Stassen. Vandenberg believed MacArthur’s only chance for the nomination was a deadlocked convention, which he knew could be engineered. Then at the appropriate time MacArthur’s name would be submitted and the nomination secured.

"But for that to work, MacArthur’s name had to be kept off state primary ballots because any defeat would burst the “infallible” bubble, wrecking everything. Vandenberg and his group’s efforts to control the MacArthur-for-President movement unraveled in Illinois and Wisconsin, where MacArthur’s name managed to get on the primary ballots. Confident of his popularity, MacArthur refused to sign a document from them requesting that his name be withdrawn. MacArthur’s home state, on his father’s side, was Wisconsin. As such MacArthur had to win Wisconsin. Instead he lost – big time, coming in third behind Dewey and Stassen. The resounding victory in Illinois was a hollow one, because his opponent was an unknown.

"Then a batch of letters put paid to the movement.

"Freshman Republican Congressman Arthur Miller from Nebraska was a MacArthur supporter. Miller’s first letter to the general, dated Sept. 18, 1943, stated in part: “I am certain that unless this New Deal can be stopped this time our American way of life is forever doomed. You owe it to civilization and the children yet unborn to accept the nomination.”

"Of all his flaws, perhaps MacArthur’s greatest was a tender ego, which made him a sucker for flattery. In December 1943, Army chief of staff General George Marshall visited MacArthur in Port Moresby. During one of their discussions, MacArthur began a sentence with “My staff,” only to have Marshall interrupt, “You don’t have a staff, general. You have a court.”

"MacArthur’s response to Miller included the sentence, “I unreservedly agree with the complete wisdom and statesmanship of your comments.” A correspondence had begun.

"On April 14, 1944, Miller, without consulting the general, released MacArthur’s letters to the press thinking they would reinvigorate the general’s campaign. Instead, their highly partisan contents destroyed what was left of it. Vandenberg called Miller’s action “a tragic mistake.” MacArthur was mortified. He tried to fight back, stating truthfully that the letters “were never intended for publication,” but it was too late.

"Upon the advice of Sen. Vandenberg, on April 30, 1944, MacArthur issued a statement that closed with the passage: “I request that no action be taken that would link my name in any way with the nomination. I do not covet it nor would I accept it.”..."

https://www.defensemedianetwork.com/stories/macarthur-for-president/

So can we plausibly see MacArthur being nominated? Only if (1) he doesn't allow his name to be entered in any primary, even in his "home state" WI which he thought he could win, (2) he resists the temptation to reply to flattering letters from anti-New Deal Republicans and thus seem to endorse their politics, and (3) the convention develops into a deadlock among Dewey and Willkie and Stassen and maybe some favorite sons, with the convention eventually turning to MacArthur.

I have serious doubts about (3)--as long as Dewey is the only major "stop Willkie" candidate who can actually actively campaign he is likely to have the nomination locked up before the convention. But in any event, (1) and (2) seem very unlikely to me--they would require MacArthur to keep his ego in check. Good luck with that!
 
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You know something I've started to wonder is if Mac got the nomination and won the election would he stay on the front until wars end or actually go to Washington? Because with his ego I don't think he would believe anyone but him was to finish off the Pacific war but him.
 
this is really alien space bat but what the hell

let's say MacArthur makes a comment about FDR which pisses him off greatly. maybe FDR uses him as another scapegoat similar to Admiral Husband E. Kimmel Douglas


MacArthur was probably going to die defending the Philippines going out in a blaze of glory.

but FDR wants to tarnish his reputation so he order's MacArthur to evacuate the Philippines and then when he gets to Australia he is court-martialed trying to destroy his reputation FDR says that he didn't order him to evacuate or something Douglas MacArthur fights for his military career and during his court-martial the media becomes aware FDR did order him to evacuate it blows up in FDR's face and by 1944 he loses the presidency to the man he tried to destroy
 
A shift of 2.5% in the electoral College would've saw the GOP candidate defeat FDR, and 1944 was his weakest year by far with potential concerns about health dogging him.

A Republican candidate other than Dewey could have won if he had carried (besides the Dewey states), every state where FDR won by 5.01 percent or less.

Unfortunately for the GOP, though, the state FDR carried by 5.01 percent was New York. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1944_United_States_presidential_election It seems very unlikely that MacArthur can do that much better than Dewey (a reasonably popular Governor) did in his home state (which of course was also FDR's). Really, Dewey could have been a generic Republican. People had pretty much decided whether they wanted to keep FDR or not, regardless of his opponent. Those who wanted to jettison him were a minority--a large minority but clearly a minority. Also, let's not forget that the Democrats gained 20 seats in the House to get a 242-191 majority--which means it is unlikely that Dewey was a particularly weak candidate compared to the overall standing of his party. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1944_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections
 
MacArthur was too much of a false idol, built up to sell the war for the folks back home.

http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/162625

When a wave of conservative sentiment promoted MacArthur for the 1944 Republican presidential nomination, those driving the MacArthur bandwagon found the differing characterizations of MacArthur in the field and on the home front to be disconcerting. One MacArthur backer complained that he found it inexplicable that soldiers returning from the South Pacific were not enthusiastic MacArthur supporters. A skeptical correspondent went so far as to suggest that only anti-MacArthur veterans got furloughed home.
 
I could only see Roosevelt losing if the United States suffers a series of disastrous defeats in 1944 - say, a scenario where D-Day fails and the Battle of Leyte Gulf goes the other way.
Then FDR could just bring up how badly MacArthur screwed up in the Philippines.
 
A Republican candidate other than Dewey could have won if he had carried (besides the Dewey states), every state where FDR won by 5.01 percent or less.

Unfortunately for the GOP, though, the state FDR carried by 5.01 percent was New York. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1944_United_States_presidential_election It seems very unlikely that MacArthur can do that much better than Dewey (a reasonably popular Governor) did in his home state (which of course was also FDR's). Really, Dewey could have been a generic Republican. People had pretty much decided whether they wanted to keep FDR or not, regardless of his opponent. Those who wanted to jettison him were a minority--a large minority but clearly a minority. Also, let's not forget that the Democrats gained 20 seats in the House to get a 242-191 majority--which means it is unlikely that Dewey was a particularly weak candidate compared to the overall standing of his party. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1944_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections

So MacArthur has to do better by 2.55% in New York. Granted, there's no much going for MacArthur that Dewey didn't match in some way but I'm thinking more about game changers rather than the candidates; a rather public health scare for FDR or a serious military defeat might be enough.
 
Given MacArthur's poor showing in his "home state" WI's GOP primary in both 1944 and 1948, I'm a little skeptical he would be a great candidate.
 
So MacArthur has to do better by 2.55% in New York. Granted, there's no much going for MacArthur that Dewey didn't match in some way but I'm thinking more about game changers rather than the candidates; a rather public health scare for FDR or a serious military defeat might be enough.

The problem is that it is difficult to see how there could be a serious military defeat for the US in 1944. By 1944 the advantages the Allies had over the Axis are to large to overcome IMO. A setback or two, sure. A serious military defeat, that is hard to see.
 
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