Macarthur is killed
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1. Wainwright isn't left holding the bag on Bataan while McArthur is in Australia pissing off the entire Southern Hemisphere.
2. "I shall return" never becomes a catch phrase.
3. The Occupation of Japan is considerably more difficult and the Japanese Constitution is greatly different than IOTL. (I have no particular love for McArthur, but he was the PERFECT choice to oversee Japan's occupation.)
4. The UN either:
A) gets pushed completely off the Korean Peninsula because no one else has the sheer gaul to try Inchon.
OR
B) The UN totally defeats the North Koreans and leave the North a small stump of land that extends a bare 50 miles from the PRC Border.
5. Truman never gets to demonstrate that CIVILIAN control of the military is the American way of governance.
6. The world never get the speech to West Point Cadets. (Again, he's not my favorite American commander, but he gave one hell of a speech that day.)
History would be poorer without his influence, but a good number of American & Australian men would not have gotten killed in some of his less well advised Operations.
2. "I shall return" never becomes a catch phrase.
3. The Occupation of Japan is considerably more difficult and the Japanese Constitution is greatly different than IOTL. (I have no particular love for McArthur, but he was the PERFECT choice to oversee Japan's occupation.)
4. The UN either:
A) gets pushed completely off the Korean Peninsula because no one else has the sheer gaul to try Inchon.
OR
B) The UN totally defeats the North Koreans and leave the North a small stump of land that extends a bare 50 miles from the PRC Border.
5. Truman never gets to demonstrate that CIVILIAN control of the military is the American way of governance.
6. The world never get the speech to West Point Cadets. (Again, he's not my favorite American commander, but he gave one hell of a speech that day.)
History would be poorer without his influence, but a good number of American & Australian men would not have gotten killed in some of his less well advised Operations.
Heck, on the old board I posted about WI Mac was killed on the Western Front during the Meuse-Argonnes offensive, during that occasion he was mistaken as a spy by the BIG RED 1 patrol while he was strolling along the frontlines. Maybe there'd be similar effects in both timeframes regardless of when he buys it ?
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) If it is WW1, you've affected the defense of P.I. rather substantially. Mac was a strong believer in "positive action" & persuaded DC he could hold P.I. for a year. Without him, that won't happen; certainly USN won't press for it. As a result, you get less threat to Japan's SLOCs from P.I. & (potentially) less reason to attack...& given Japan can be persuaded U.S. & Britain aren't inseperable (which could well have been an IJN ploy in any case), maybe less need to attack Pearl, either. Now, I'm no believer in that particular one; IMO, IJN was determined to keep its share of Japan's defense budget, & save face by not being leader in the DEI ops, at virtually any cost. Of course, Yamamoto might've supported it hoping NGS would veto or IJAHQ would come to their senses before it launched...
It makes quite a bit of difference, actually. (I like WW1 better. That way, he's nothing like so famous when he croaks.
) If it is WW1, you've affected the defense of P.I. rather substantially. Mac was a strong believer in "positive action" & persuaded DC he could hold P.I. for a year. Without him, that won't happen; certainly USN won't press for it. As a result, you get less threat to Japan's SLOCs from P.I. & (potentially) less reason to attack...& given Japan can be persuaded U.S. & Britain aren't inseperable (which could well have been an IJN ploy in any case), maybe less need to attack Pearl, either. Now, I'm no believer in that particular one; IMO, IJN was determined to keep its share of Japan's defense budget, & save face by not being leader in the DEI ops, at virtually any cost. Of course, Yamamoto might've supported it hoping NGS would veto or IJAHQ would come to their senses before it launched...Britain's last major influence on American policy would never have taken place or was Attlee pushing at an open door i.e Truman was looking for a excuse to sack Macarthur. Harry Truman might have been persuaded to run for a third term and maybe Eisenhower wouldn't have been a candidate and the Republican would have adopted Taft.