I think we are thinking along similar lines.
Yes, but were they with the engineering understanding of that period? I don't know. They had to work around weak engines, which compromised the designs; with such weak engines they required massive wings to generate enough lift to fly, but then created a lot of drag and wasted weight. If say ordered to a spec with a potential high powered development, say a planned DB600/1 with 1000hp for take off they could have probably gotten a better design out of the original spec, but still not as good as later designs due to more limited aerodynamic understanding compared to 1936 or later (bomber A). So with the understanding they'd be working with better engines not yet available they could have gotten something better, but its unclear if they could yet design something worthwhile enough.
If they could have they could have had it by 1940.
The Bf109 was designed at about the same time. IIRC the prototype had a RR Kestrel, the Bf 109B&C had the Jumo 210 before the availability of the DB601 led to the Bf109D&E. If I have got my facts right the Bf110V1 had Jumo 210 engine and the Bf110A and B were not produced in large numbers because they performed too poorly with engines that produced 30% less power than the DB601 fitted to the Bf110C.
My original idea was that the 12 Do19A and 12 Ju89A series would be pre-production versions of the Do19V1 and Ju89V1 with the same engines as the prototypes, but the Do19B and Ju89B would have DB601 or Jumo211 engines. Form what you say it the B-series of both aircraft would also need redesigned wings. Or do as you suggest, that is design them for engines in the 1,000 to 1,200hp class in the first place. Either way I think Germany would have had bombers with similar performance to the B-17A to E series in the first half of the war.
As you also say it would not have been as good as bomber begun in 1936, but a bomber started in 1936 would not have been ready for 1939.
No, it would have ended up in the same boat as the He177: too later to matter. The Ju288 was viable had Milch not gotten into a pissing match with Koppenberg at Junkers and developed the engine and aircraft to death to break his rival's hold on production. Of course that never would have even started had Udet not come into the picture upon Wever's death, so the Ju288 might have become a viable aircraft IOTL without Udet. The He277 wasn't a four engined He177, that was the He177B; the 277 was the Atlantic bomber and a whole story in itself. If the DB603 didn't get cancelled it would likely have power the He177B that Heinkel wanted earlier, if at a working Ural Bomber IF we are presupposing they have a viable design.
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Do you mean the Ju289 would have been too late to matter? My estimate is that it would be ready to enter service in the first half of 1942. That is too late to matter for the Battle of Britain, but it would have been an improvement on the later Fw200Cs.
Sorry, I did think that the He177B and He277 were the same aircraft. The story I read was that Goering was so sick of the He177B, that Heinkel renamed it the He277 as a cover. I actually meant the He177B and that it goes into service in the last quarter of 1940 or the first quarter of 1941.
I don't know much about the Ju288. I thought was let down by having the same engines as the He177A and that the electrical systems could not be made reliable enough. I also think the Luftwaffe would have been better off if they had turned the Ju88 into the Ju188 and 388 earlier instead of the Ju288.
They did the 200 because of the Japanese asking for a militarized version of the civilian airliner. The Germans inherited it when the war started and opted to use it because it was what was available. A working Uralbomber probably would have preempted it.
My idea was that Lufthansa decides that it wants an airliner version of the Ju89 a year earlier and orders 3 prototypes from Junkers in place of the Fw200 prototypes of the real world. Therefore the Japanese can't buy a maritime recce version because there is no airliner version to develop it from. However, the Luftwaffe does have a maritime recce version of the Uralbomber in development so they buy that instead. None reach the Japanese though because the Luftwaffe requisitions them before they can be delivered.
The 191 was a later development and a mess. It was never viable IMHO.
Correct. The start on the Fw191 roughly corresponds to the Japanese Fw200 order, so I thought the effort put into the Fw200C would be put into the Fw191. However, in a half-finished essay on my laptop the resources are used to design a DB603 engined Fw190 that is ready in time to be built instead of the Bf109F.
Read my thread about the Do19 I did for just that reason.
Please will you send me the link.
And they would only have one design in production of the Ural Bomber worked out. The 116 was kind of like a four engine 111.
Unfortunately in my TL the He111 might be taken out of production in 1939 in favour of the earlier introduction of the Ju88. That is because Udet isn't around to add the dive-bomber requirement.
Does anybody know if Heinkel proposed a design for the Uralbomber specification? While I was writing this I thought if the He116 was a sort of 4-engine He111 could they have turned the He116 (which I know nothing about other that it existed) into a Uralbomber or a scaled-up He111 to meet the specification?
