Lucas never made Indiana Jones 4

samcster94

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Indiana Jones 4 has many of the same weaknesses as the SW Prequels, but is much more forgettable since it doesn't affect any of the earlier movies in any way and IJ 1-3 also had never been touched the same way digitally. The 90's prequel show still exists, and nothing changes there. There can still even be SW prequels similar to OTL, but there can be no IJ4 ever made in TTL(a latter day reboot CAN be made but not with H. Ford). What is the impact on late 00's pop culture if Indiana Jones never has a fourth movie???
 

samcster94

Banned
One different south park episode. People find other things to complain about. I think that's it. Indiana Jones 4 was not a big deal
Yup. It had a small impact on 2008, and its absence really doesn't change much else except maybe make the IJ fandom a bit more reboot hungry in TTL. Lucas's reputation might be slightly different for not "ruining" his OTHER child.
 

Driftless

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I'll be generous - a pretty disappointing film, but not a complete disaster. Reuniting the aging Ford and Allen kinda worked; the two world class actors - Blanchett and Hurt didn't; and Jeebezus.... any actor other than LeBouef - he does not belong on screen anywhere, anytime. The plot was no loopier than the previous Indiana Jones and IF they were going to do a fourth movie with Ford, it had to be set during the Cold War, considering his age.

It's heresy and may/may not have worked, but I'd rather they did a prequel set in the 20's
 

samcster94

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I'll be generous - a pretty disappointing film, but not a complete disaster. Reuniting the aging Ford and Allen kinda worked; the two world class actors - Blanchett and Hurt didn't; and Jeebezus.... any actor other than LeBouef - he does not belong on screen anywhere, anytime. The plot was no loopier than the previous Indiana Jones and IF they were going to do a fourth movie with Ford, it had to be set during the Cold War, considering his age.

It's heresy and may/may not have worked, but I'd rather they did a prequel set in the 20's
Karen Allen being there was an okay twist and I never minded her. I did think the alien idea was dumb though as was the fridge. I did like it a little better than the prequels as it seemed to at least know it usually seemed to know an Indiana Jones movie most of the time and it never contradicted canon(as a sequel that was easy). I think Disney might do that prequel one day though.
 

Driftless

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Karen Allen being there was an okay twist and I never minded her. I did think the alien idea was dumb though as was the fridge. I did like it a little better than the prequels as it seemed to at least know it usually seemed to know an Indiana Jones movie most of the time and it never contradicted canon(as a sequel that was easy). I think Disney might do that prequel one day though.

What's the plot premise and who's the cast in a prequel? Isn't the audience for the Ford/Jones mostly Boomer's, or does the reach extend enough into other generations? Star Wars & Star Trek have managed to quite successfully capture a huge younger audience, so a reboot should be possible. That desired new audience probably dictates the plot and casting. I'm an Old Fart, so my opinions there are suspect on that front.....;)

Given the Young Indiana Jones TV series basically covered the 1910's era, would this reboot move ahead to the 20's, or even early 30's? Machu Picchu was rediscovered in 1911, Percy Fawcett disappeared into the Amazon looking for the Lost City of Z in 1925, L'Anse aux Meadows was re-discovered in 1960, Hollow Earth has been kicked around for centuries; so plenty of useful and unused macguffins for a story line consistent with the era
 
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samcster94

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What's the plot premise and who's the cast in a prequel? Isn't the audience for the Ford/Jones mostly Boomer's, or does the reach extend enough into other generations? Star Wars & Star Trek have managed to quite successfully capture a huge younger audience, so a reboot should be possible. That desired new audience probably dictates the plot and casting. I'm an Old Fart, so my opinions there are suspect on that front.....;)

Given the Young Indiana Jones TV series basically covered the 1910's era, would this reboot move ahead to the 20's, or even early 30's? Machu Picchu was rediscovered in 1911, Percy Fawcett disappeared into the Amazon looking for the Lost City of Z in 1925, L'Anse aux Meadows was re-discovered in 1960, Hollow Earth has been kicked around for centuries; so plenty of useful and unused macguffins to use for a story line consistent with the era
Many peeps who are younger like IJ(the older ones), so it'd easily work for a reboot given the creator also made Star Wars. Personally, I think a good prequel would be in the 20's, and I think setting it in China(but for the entire film) would be smart. They can easily make up something related to some legend about China. Sorry it was a bit Off Topic. The original premise of this thread was not on a reboot with a younger actor, but on what if Crystal Skull didn't exist. Crystal Skull, as I stated before, was essentially the franchise's equivalent to the SW prequels,but wasn't a prequel and only one movie was made. The Hobbit films seem to have many of the same weaknesses, but are actually acted well and the dialogue has few issues.
 
The prequels didn't contradict continuity. That is a lazy meme that has circulated by butthurt fanboys who can't accept that their precious head canon didn't come to pass, or that they honestly didn't know everything about the universe like they thought. The most commonly used example "how can Leia remember her mother if she died giving birth to her?" actually has a very simple explanation. The series has always strongly suggested that Leia's Force abilities are actually much more powerful than Luke's, and thus that she can remember far further back. Meaning that her eyes were open right after she was born, she saw Padme slipping away, looking "beautiful but sad", and it was burned into her memory. In fact, the novelization of Revenge of the Sith explicitly states this, but Lucas clearly knew that it wouldn't look convincing if it was shot, much like the infamous baby shot in Breaking Dawn Part 2. In addition, midi-chlorians are NOT the Force, but what allows individuals to be in tune with it (the more you have, the more aware of the Force you are); More resources to explain this below.

http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/star-wars/feature/a832013/star-wars-plot-holes-debunked/
https://www.retrozap.com/your-focus-determines-your-reality-debunking-star-wars-plot-holes/
http://boards.theforce.net/threads/debunking-plot-holes.20054360/

The prequels are not perfect by any means, but in truth, neither was the original trilogy. It too had moments of cringe-inducing dialogue, moments when the main character seemed whiny and unsympathetic (Luke and the power converters), and sidekicks that seemed overly annoying and pointless (C-3PO complaining to the point he seems to be rooting against our heroes, especially in Empire) And these elements carried over into the Disney era. The rose-tinted glasses of nostalgia simply blind fans to it. But this is not me saying that the original films are bad, or that Disney's are. Simply put, they are all extremely good films that deserve to be credited and recognized as such. The only thing that would make the prequels objectively better was if Lucas had Lawrence Kasdan take a pass at the scripts and polish the dialogue. Everything else, from cast, characters, plots and visuals, couldn't be improved upon.

As for Crystal Skull, it certainly is the weakest of the Indy films, but it not absolutely terrible. And again, nostalgia works its charm. We should rightly complain about the fridge, but we can't do it without giving the sledding scene from Temple of Doom the same treatment. We also must remember that Lucas, while he certainly deserves credit for how it turned out, is not solely to blame, as much of the ideas also came from and were helped into shape by Jeff Nathanson, who was an uncredited co-writer on the script along with David Koepp, and went on to come up with the story of and writed the script for the most recent Pirates of the Caribbean film.
 
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