What if the OTL successor to the Spanish throne (Louis) was not picked and the other Louis (the XIV of France in OTL) was? How would France be benefitted by a somewhat better ruler than his incompetent counterpart?
What if the OTL successor to the Spanish throne (Louis) was not picked and the other Louis (the XIV of France in OTL) was? How would France be benefitted by a somewhat better ruler than his incompetent counterpart?
I think I got it wrong. It is whoever succeeded the French throne after the Spanish Habsburgs are gone and the successor to Louis XIv. Does that make sense?
I think I got it wrong. It is whoever succeeded the French throne after the Spanish Habsburgs are gone and the successor to Louis XIv. Does that make sense?
Ah, so Louis le grand Dauphin (or was it already le petit Dauphin by this point? Louis XV?) becomes King of Spain and Phillip Duc de Anjou becomes heir to louis XIV?
That is not going to happen by any stretch of the imagination. There's no way the French are going to stand for interruption of the line in France.
Ah, so Louis le grand Dauphin (or was it already le petit Dauphin by this point? Louis XV?) becomes King of Spain and Phillip Duc de Anjou becomes heir to louis XIV?
That is not going to happen by any stretch of the imagination. There's no way the French are going to stand for interruption of the line in France.
le petit Dauphin, was le grand Dauphin son, Louis XV was le petit Dauphin son and le grand Dauphin grandson
though till his Father's death, Louis (le petit Dauphin) was the duc de Bourgogne, also Louis XV wasn't born till 1710, and is le petit Dauphin's second son, the first Louis, Duke of Brittany died with his parents in 1712 from smallpox
ok to clear some stuff up
Louis XIV married Maria Theresa of Spain, older sister of Charles II of Spain, the last Habsburg King of Spain, making her Children the heir's to the crown
Louis XIV's oldest child was Louis, le Grand Dauphin (Dauphin is French of Crown Prince) he was the only child to live to adulthood, and the "grand" was a nice way of saying he was fat (also dumb)
le Grand Dauphin had 3 sons Louis duc de Bourgogne, Philippe duc de Anjou, and Charles duc de Berry
duc de Bourgogne became known was le Petit Dauphin after his father's death in 1711, and died with his wife and oldest son, Louis, Duke of Brittany in 1712, his younger son, just 2 years old, became Dauphin, after his Great-Grandfather's death in 1715 he became King Louis XV
Philippe duc de Anjou, took his father's claim to the Spanish throne, and became King Philip V of Spain in 1700, he fathered 3 kings of Spain, Louis I who he stepped down in favor of in 1724, till the young Louis died and his father took the crown again, ruling till his death in 1746, when he pasted the crown to his second son Ferdinand VI of Spain, who died childless and past it to the 3rd child of Philip V, Charles III of Spain
Charles duc de Berry was heir to the Spanish throne from 1700 till Louis I's birth in 1707, he died with out heirs before his grandfather in 1714
So let say Philip decides not to be Spanish emperor, who else from the family would take the place?
So let say Philip decides not to be Spanish emperor, who else from the family would take the place?
le petit Dauphin, was le grand Dauphin son, Louis XV was le petit Dauphin son and le grand Dauphin grandson
though till his Father's death, Louis (le petit Dauphin) was the duc de Bourgogne, also Louis XV wasn't born till 1710, and is le petit Dauphin's second son, the first Louis, Duke of Brittany died with his parents in 1712 from smallpox
I knew he was le grand dauphin's son and so forth, but I couldn't recall exactly when the deaths occurred.
In any case, you're not going to have the first in line to the French throne give that up for the Spanish one, it's just going to happen.
well idk if they'd give up anything, to wit, Philip V in 1715 said he'd wage war and invade France to take up his claim to the throne if the young Louis XV should die, and seemed very ready to do just that, I don't if he'd have been willing to drop Spain for France, and if he did where it'd go, his two heirs are very small Children in 1715 (Louis was 8 and Ferdinand was 2) his brother (the heir in the will of Charles II) was dead with out heirs and Archduke Charles was than Emperor Charles VI
He was talking about a simple swap of line, the Kings of France get Spain and vice-versa. I agree that if that's even a possibility, then a simple personal union under the main line is far more likely.
So. Who would be the likely person to take the Spanish throne from what we have so far?
likely to take it if what happens?![]()