Louis II of Hungary survives Mohacs, then inherits Poland Lithuania

In OTL, the Jageillion dynasty through the male line went extinct in 1569 when Sigismund August of Poland died without heirs. Now, in OTL there was also the second branch of Jagiellons who ruled Bohemia and Hungary. Their line male line went extinct in 1526 when Louis II of Hungary died at Mohacs, which allowed the Hapsburgs to lay claim to the Kingdoms of Bohemia and Hungary.

Both Louis II of Hungary, and Sigismund Ausgust of Poland were the grandsons of Casimir IV of Poland.

So what if Louis II doesn't die at Mohacs and is able to survive. Also, lets assume that Louis achieves a rather decent age (the Jagiellions were a rather long lived lot) and is able to at least briefly inherit Poland and Lithuania upon the death of his cousing before passing it on to his ATL son.

For the sake of discussion, lets assume that Louis's descendants are able to hold on to the three kingdoms and the Grand Duchy for a while.

How do things turn out with a King who rules Bohemia, Hungary, Poland, and Lithuania?

Might we see come kind of analogue Union of Lublin? In OTL, Lithuania was pretty opposed to joining with Poland, and they might only remain in personal union in this TL... but with Hungary in a weakened state, could we maybe see some kind of union between Poland and Hungary (and maybe Bohemia)?
 
I doubt to see a Union of Lublin, which IIRC was related to the fact that the Jagiellon dynasty would be succeeded by a new dynasty; a surviving Jagiellon dynasty would want to keep more royal authority.
However as long as the Jagiellon dynasty survives there will be a personal union.
 

Maur

Banned
In OTL, the Jageillion dynasty through the male line went extinct in 1569 when Sigismund August of Poland died without heirs. Now, in OTL there was also the second branch of Jagiellons who ruled Bohemia and Hungary. Their line male line went extinct in 1526 when Louis II of Hungary died at Mohacs, which allowed the Hapsburgs to lay claim to the Kingdoms of Bohemia and Hungary.

Both Louis II of Hungary, and Sigismund Ausgust of Poland were the grandsons of Casimir IV of Poland.

So what if Louis II doesn't die at Mohacs and is able to survive. Also, lets assume that Louis achieves a rather decent age (the Jagiellions were a rather long lived lot) and is able to at least briefly inherit Poland and Lithuania upon the death of his cousing before passing it on to his ATL son.

For the sake of discussion, lets assume that Louis's descendants are able to hold on to the three kingdoms and the Grand Duchy for a while.

How do things turn out with a King who rules Bohemia, Hungary, Poland, and Lithuania?

Might we see come kind of analogue Union of Lublin? In OTL, Lithuania was pretty opposed to joining with Poland, and they might only remain in personal union in this TL... but with Hungary in a weakened state, could we maybe see some kind of union between Poland and Hungary (and maybe Bohemia)?
PLC (or Poland before that) was not inheritable kingdom, it was electable under Jagiellons, too. Lithuania was hereditary Jagiellon country.

That said, there is absolutely no doubt Jagiellon would be elected before anyone else. And of course it is a complete game changer in central and eastern Europe.
 
This actually gives me an idea - since Louis II doesn't die at Mohacs in my TL, he still has the kingship of Bohemia, and a rump Hungary, so if he survives long enough to outlive Sigismund August he'd be a Eastern European Charles V. Of course, by then he'd be in his sixties, so I'd suspect he'd do what Charles did and divide his empire (with Poland and Lithuania going to an elder son, and the actually politically more potent Kingdom of Bohemia (since people tend to forget that it's this position that gives the Habsburgs an electoral vote) to another son).
 

Maur

Banned
This actually gives me an idea - since Louis II doesn't die at Mohacs in my TL, he still has the kingship of Bohemia, and a rump Hungary, so if he survives long enough to outlive Sigismund August he'd be a Eastern European Charles V. Of course, by then he'd be in his sixties, so I'd suspect he'd do what Charles did and divide his empire (with Poland and Lithuania going to an elder son, and the actually politically more potent Kingdom of Bohemia (since people tend to forget that it's this position that gives the Habsburgs an electoral vote) to another son).
Spain and Austria are a good bit apart (not to mention Spain entanglement overseas). PLC, Bohemia and Hungary form one big blob, thus i'm not sure about the splitting.

Of course, dividing it due to personal factors is another matter. Uh, and isn't it the matter of inheritance laws (where they apply, seeing as half of the positions are elective)
 
This actually gives me an idea - since Louis II doesn't die at Mohacs in my TL, he still has the kingship of Bohemia, and a rump Hungary, so if he survives long enough to outlive Sigismund August he'd be a Eastern European Charles V. Of course, by then he'd be in his sixties, so I'd suspect he'd do what Charles did and divide his empire (with Poland and Lithuania going to an elder son, and the actually politically more potent Kingdom of Bohemia (since people tend to forget that it's this position that gives the Habsburgs an electoral vote) to another son).

Actualy, the other option is to give Lithuania by itself to one son, and Poland and Bohemia to another...

Also, as another pointed out above, the fact that his new empire is contiguous means there is far less incentive to break them up. Also, without all of the myriad problems that Charles V had (he had to be in alot of disparate places at once) contributed to him believing that he had to break them up.
 
?Can He Inherit Poland-Lithuania? I thought the Monarchy of these Nations was Electoral.

Sort of. It wasn't until the union of Lublin that Poland and Lithuania became one state, and that didn't occur until Sigismund August realised that he wasn't going to have any sons.

As Maur stated, any surviving Jageillion heir would have inherited Lithuania, which didn't elect its Grand Dukes.

Poland, while its true it did elect its King, up until the last Jageillon (Sigismund August) died ALWAYS elected one. Part of the whole panic behind the Union of Lublin was that the dynasty was extinct.

In this scenario, Louis II would have pretty much been guarranteed election to the Polish throne.
 

Maur

Banned
Sort of. It wasn't until the union of Lublin that Poland and Lithuania became one state, and that didn't occur until Sigismund August realised that he wasn't going to have any sons.

As Maur stated, any surviving Jageillion heir would have inherited Lithuania, which didn't elect its Grand Dukes.

Poland, while its true it did elect its King, up until the last Jageillon (Sigismund August) died ALWAYS elected one. Part of the whole panic behind the Union of Lublin was that the dynasty was extinct.

In this scenario, Louis II would have pretty much been guarranteed election to the Polish throne.
It wasn't one state until the constitution of 1792. Doesn't really matter for the question, as there was no chance of electing anyone else as long as single Jagiellon (even woman) was alive. I think Poland would stand good chance of electing insane female underaged pagan muslim black Chinese Jagiellon :D
 
It wasn't one state until the constitution of 1792. Doesn't really matter for the question, as there was no chance of electing anyone else as long as single Jagiellon (even woman) was alive. I think Poland would stand good chance of electing insane female underaged pagan muslim black Chinese Jagiellon :D

Hmmm, I mispoke. I meant that the monarchy became indivisble...
 
The new empire would have to fight both Russia and Ottomans though.

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Actualy, the other option is to give Lithuania by itself to one son, and Poland and Bohemia to another...

Also, as another pointed out above, the fact that his new empire is contiguous means there is far less incentive to break them up. Also, without all of the myriad problems that Charles V had (he had to be in alot of disparate places at once) contributed to him believing that he had to break them up.

Given the problems with the Ottomans and, if Russia gets its act together, Russia; the OTL division makes most sense IMHO or no division at all.
 
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