As the titles says. The battle goes as IOTL, ends with an Ottoman victory, but Louis II isn't killed (he either is able to escape or is made prisoner). How does it affect Hungary and the Habsburgs (as now Ferdinand doesn't becomes king of anything)?
As the titles says. The battle goes as IOTL, ends with an Ottoman victory, but Louis II isn't killed (he either is able to escape or is made prisoner). How does it affect Hungary and the Habsburgs (as now Ferdinand doesn't becomes king of anything)?
I would think Ferdinand would still likely gain Louis II's support, being as they would likely be on better terms terms with each other then Louis would be with Philip. If it came down to it, the German electors were going to pick the more German of the two Habsburg candidates and while both Ferdinand and Philip were Spaniards, Ferdinand ruled a firmly German territory, while Philip's best claim was a territory that hated him and because Charles V declared him his heir to the Imperial Crown, which realistically means nothing because the Crown is elective and the Habsburgs hadn't yet established it as defacto hereditary procession. This might cause that oh so sought after "Divided House of Habsburg" with the Austria Branch revolting against the Spanish Branch and perhaps even converting to ProtestantismLouis may lose the entire Hungary and Croatia except a rump, but keep Bohemia, likely he may end up converting to Lutheranism to keep Bohemia. Beside without Bohemia, will Ferdinand become emperor, or will Philip get that title?
I would think Ferdinand would still likely gain Louis II's support, being as they would likely be on better terms terms with each other then Louis would be with Philip. If it came down to it, the German electors were going to pick the more German of the two Habsburg candidates and while both Ferdinand and Philip were Spaniards, Ferdinand ruled a firmly German territory, while Philip's best claim was a territory that hated him and because Charles V declared him his heir to the Imperial Crown, which realistically means nothing because the Crown is elective and the Habsburgs hadn't yet established it as defacto hereditary procession. This might cause that oh so sought after "Divided House of Habsburg" with the Austria Branch revolting against the Spanish Branch and perhaps even converting to Protestantism
I have no idea about this, but a second surviving Jageillon line might make a good candidate for the throne of Poland-Lithuania when that other line goes out.
Well in this event, Philip is going to have to spread his forces even more thinly then IOTL. I think it is likely that whatever war results from the contestation of Ferdinand's election would result in the Spanish yoke being thrown off in the Netherlands with Ferdinand or his children taking the throne. As for Italy, I believe that where France put's her chips will heavily influence the results.So we may end up with two different Habsburg Emperor, a Austrian Emperor and a Spanish Anti-Emperor. Maybe even with a split of HRE, where Italy, the Burgundian inherience and Lorraine (and maybe a few enclaves like Bavaria*) joins the "Spanish" HRE, while the rest becomes the HREGN.
*Through I don't think that will survive in the long run.
As the titles says. The battle goes as IOTL, ends with an Ottoman victory, but Louis II isn't killed (he either is able to escape or is made prisoner). How does it affect Hungary and the Habsburgs (as now Ferdinand doesn't becomes king of anything)?
As the legitimate king of Hungary, Ferdinand can bring Hungary into Ottoman vassalage and maintain it as an independent state. This might be a better outcome for both Hungary and the Ottomans.
Religiously I don't know what would happen. As an Ottoman vassal, there is less impetus and ability to fight Protestantism.
As the legitimate king of Hungary, Ferdinand can bring Hungary into Ottoman vassalage and maintain it as an independent state. This might be a better outcome for both Hungary and the Ottomans.
I know that your thing is that Hungarian Vassals = More Resources for the Ottomans used more constructively. But can you elaborate on what the Ottomans would likely do instead of making the Pannonian Plain even poorer?As the legitimate king of Hungary, Ferdinand can bring Hungary into Ottoman vassalage and maintain it as an independent state. This might be a better outcome for both Hungary and the Ottomans.
Religiously I don't know what would happen. As an Ottoman vassal, there is less impetus and ability to fight Protestantism.
I know that your thing is that Hungarian Vassals = More Resources for the Ottomans used more constructively. But can you elaborate on what the Ottomans would likely do instead of making the Pannonian Plain even poorer?
Huh? This seems to be discussing a question that wasn't asked. Do you mean Louis can bring Hungary into vassalage? Because that would make more sense, even if it seems unlikely (he might end up a vassal but probably via a bit of coercion).
It would be better for Hungary, though, no doubt, since IOTL Ferdinand and Suleyman spent three decades ploughing the frontier back and forth across the country.
I know that your thing is that Hungarian Vassals = More Resources for the Ottomans used more constructively. But can you elaborate on what the Ottomans would likely do instead of making the Pannonian Plain even poorer?