Louis II doesn't die at Mohacs

As the titles says. The battle goes as IOTL, ends with an Ottoman victory, but Louis II isn't killed (he either is able to escape or is made prisoner). How does it affect Hungary and the Habsburgs (as now Ferdinand doesn't becomes king of anything)?
 
As the titles says. The battle goes as IOTL, ends with an Ottoman victory, but Louis II isn't killed (he either is able to escape or is made prisoner). How does it affect Hungary and the Habsburgs (as now Ferdinand doesn't becomes king of anything)?

I have no idea about this, but a second surviving Jageillon line might make a good candidate for the throne of Poland-Lithuania when that other line goes out.
 
As the titles says. The battle goes as IOTL, ends with an Ottoman victory, but Louis II isn't killed (he either is able to escape or is made prisoner). How does it affect Hungary and the Habsburgs (as now Ferdinand doesn't becomes king of anything)?

It's not going to help Hungary much. The Ottomans are still going to stomp all over Hungary anyways, although the fact that John Zapolya can't claim to be king may give the Ottomans a few problems (not that much though, they're still invincible). The big effect will be that Bohemia will stay out of Austria's grasp.
 

Valdemar II

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Louis may lose the entire Hungary and Croatia except a rump, but keep Bohemia, likely he may end up converting to Lutheranism to keep Bohemia. Beside without Bohemia, will Ferdinand become emperor, or will Philip get that title?
 
Louis may lose the entire Hungary and Croatia except a rump, but keep Bohemia, likely he may end up converting to Lutheranism to keep Bohemia. Beside without Bohemia, will Ferdinand become emperor, or will Philip get that title?
I would think Ferdinand would still likely gain Louis II's support, being as they would likely be on better terms terms with each other then Louis would be with Philip. If it came down to it, the German electors were going to pick the more German of the two Habsburg candidates and while both Ferdinand and Philip were Spaniards, Ferdinand ruled a firmly German territory, while Philip's best claim was a territory that hated him and because Charles V declared him his heir to the Imperial Crown, which realistically means nothing because the Crown is elective and the Habsburgs hadn't yet established it as defacto hereditary procession. This might cause that oh so sought after "Divided House of Habsburg" with the Austria Branch revolting against the Spanish Branch and perhaps even converting to Protestantism
 

Valdemar II

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I would think Ferdinand would still likely gain Louis II's support, being as they would likely be on better terms terms with each other then Louis would be with Philip. If it came down to it, the German electors were going to pick the more German of the two Habsburg candidates and while both Ferdinand and Philip were Spaniards, Ferdinand ruled a firmly German territory, while Philip's best claim was a territory that hated him and because Charles V declared him his heir to the Imperial Crown, which realistically means nothing because the Crown is elective and the Habsburgs hadn't yet established it as defacto hereditary procession. This might cause that oh so sought after "Divided House of Habsburg" with the Austria Branch revolting against the Spanish Branch and perhaps even converting to Protestantism

So we may end up with two different Habsburg Emperor, a Austrian Emperor and a Spanish Anti-Emperor. Maybe even with a split of HRE, where Italy, the Burgundian inherience and Lorraine (and maybe a few enclaves like Bavaria*) joins the "Spanish" HRE, while the rest becomes the HREGN.

*Through I don't think that will survive in the long run.
 
I have no idea about this, but a second surviving Jageillon line might make a good candidate for the throne of Poland-Lithuania when that other line goes out.

Given the butterflies, maybe even Sigismund II can be luckier ITTL and have a son.;)


About Ferdinand, is there any chance for him or one of his sons to receive the Netherlands ITTL, as he didn't become king of Hungary and Bohemia? After all, Charles V had only one son to receive his possessions, while Ferdinand would probably still have all those children. And Philip II never shown much interest in the Netherlands until they rebelled againt him. Is it possible that Ferdinand gets it in order to increase his power within the HRE?
 
So we may end up with two different Habsburg Emperor, a Austrian Emperor and a Spanish Anti-Emperor. Maybe even with a split of HRE, where Italy, the Burgundian inherience and Lorraine (and maybe a few enclaves like Bavaria*) joins the "Spanish" HRE, while the rest becomes the HREGN.

*Through I don't think that will survive in the long run.
Well in this event, Philip is going to have to spread his forces even more thinly then IOTL. I think it is likely that whatever war results from the contestation of Ferdinand's election would result in the Spanish yoke being thrown off in the Netherlands with Ferdinand or his children taking the throne. As for Italy, I believe that where France put's her chips will heavily influence the results.
 
As the titles says. The battle goes as IOTL, ends with an Ottoman victory, but Louis II isn't killed (he either is able to escape or is made prisoner). How does it affect Hungary and the Habsburgs (as now Ferdinand doesn't becomes king of anything)?

As the legitimate king of Hungary, Ferdinand can bring Hungary into Ottoman vassalage and maintain it as an independent state. This might be a better outcome for both Hungary and the Ottomans.

Religiously I don't know what would happen. As an Ottoman vassal, there is less impetus and ability to fight Protestantism.
 
As the legitimate king of Hungary, Ferdinand can bring Hungary into Ottoman vassalage and maintain it as an independent state. This might be a better outcome for both Hungary and the Ottomans.

Religiously I don't know what would happen. As an Ottoman vassal, there is less impetus and ability to fight Protestantism.

I think you meant Louis, not Ferdinand.;)

Anyway, probably that would be a good option, especially if Louis is made prisoner rather than killed in Mohacs. Vassalage in exchange for hi liberty wouldn't be a bad choice.
 
As the legitimate king of Hungary, Ferdinand can bring Hungary into Ottoman vassalage and maintain it as an independent state. This might be a better outcome for both Hungary and the Ottomans.

Huh? This seems to be discussing a question that wasn't asked. Do you mean Louis can bring Hungary into vassalage? Because that would make more sense, even if it seems unlikely (he might end up a vassal but probably via a bit of coercion).

It would be better for Hungary, though, no doubt, since IOTL Ferdinand and Suleyman spent three decades ploughing the frontier back and forth across the country.
 
As the legitimate king of Hungary, Ferdinand can bring Hungary into Ottoman vassalage and maintain it as an independent state. This might be a better outcome for both Hungary and the Ottomans.

Religiously I don't know what would happen. As an Ottoman vassal, there is less impetus and ability to fight Protestantism.
I know that your thing is that Hungarian Vassals = More Resources for the Ottomans used more constructively. But can you elaborate on what the Ottomans would likely do instead of making the Pannonian Plain even poorer?
 
Huh? This seems to be discussing a question that wasn't asked. Do you mean Louis can bring Hungary into vassalage? Because that would make more sense, even if it seems unlikely (he might end up a vassal but probably via a bit of coercion).

It would be better for Hungary, though, no doubt, since IOTL Ferdinand and Suleyman spent three decades ploughing the frontier back and forth across the country.

I meant Louis.
 
I know that your thing is that Hungarian Vassals = More Resources for the Ottomans used more constructively. But can you elaborate on what the Ottomans would likely do instead of making the Pannonian Plain even poorer?

I don't know what you mean by this. Why would the Ottomans make the Pannonian Plain poorer? That would be counterproductive.

I think it would have been a better result because there would have been a Hungarian buffer state instead of endless and debilitating wars with the Hapsburgs.

That would have led to a stronger Ottoman Empire with more resources to modernize, an earlier Hungary, and a Hapsburg Empire more focused on Germany.
 
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