I'm expecting democratic election. At this point, the alternatives are the Unionists (who backed up big business enough to start an international crisis over its interests), the Adamantines (who have been failing to restrain the doradists for a while now), the Colorados (who escalated said crisis into a major war), and the Mentians (who seem focused on the immigrant community). Assuming the UPSA loses the war, will any of these have a credible leadership vision?
Look to the West Volume V: To Dream Again
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That's true. Any other party will be perceived to have failed the people. On a different note, I wonder what the Societists could do with all of the resources of South America at their disposal. Not even the USSR had an entire continent, though they got close. And the UPSA was industrialized before its revolution, while Russia wasn't...
It'll take a war for that, or maybe mutual revolutions.
Even then, it seems to me that some of those puppets will get away.
Not in Europe. But it seems that Spain and Portugal will end up Societist. Maybe part of the Combine, which would make sense.
I seem to recall that either Russia was the first to use nukes or that they were first used on Russian soil. Can someone look into that? And yes, 'triple tragedy' certainly sounds sinister...
Obergruppenführer Smith
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Hello, first time talking in a LTTW thread . I have been reading through all the old threads over the weekend, and was trying to finish before I talked. However, I noticed an error that was bugging me, back in Volume IV, Part #167: Pope on the Ropes.
Specifically there is the mention of Pope Gregory XV in the 1780s. However, historically there was such a pope from 1621-1623, quite before the POD. Perhaps you might change the name to Gregory XVI?
I have been finding this timeline quite amazing, and hope to finish it by Monday night. Thank you for such a wonderful work!
Specifically there is the mention of Pope Gregory XV in the 1780s. However, historically there was such a pope from 1621-1623, quite before the POD. Perhaps you might change the name to Gregory XVI?
I have been finding this timeline quite amazing, and hope to finish it by Monday night. Thank you for such a wonderful work!
Was the USSR really lacking in resources? I guess rubber, but the rest of it was available in the Soviet bloc. In contrast, South America seems to be short on coal compared to the Soviet Union, which matters more.
Keep in mind that even if they had the resources, they didn't always prioritize it very well, nor deliver it around. Apparently Soviet citizens made sure to never buy manufactered products made in the last week of a month, as it was the time when factories rushed to fill quotas that had piled up due to them not recieving their resources until halfway through the month. Plus you get how Eastern European jam makers were perplexed at why Soviet officials thought their jam was so outstanding when they simply followed Soviet recipes. So many people, so much land... What sugar and stuff they had was really stretched. I haven't read the thread for amount a year, so I am assuming this is about the Argentina/Chile/Uruhuay thing. I can see it ending up like with the Soviets, with one city being the heart of everything, with everyone else meant to feed and supply it. If it spreads out power and such, then you can get where people are well fed and well defended behind mountains and jungles.
Obergruppenführer Smith
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Finally read the entire thing over three days. What a ride. One thing that stood out to me:
So let's see, we have
- A localized (turkey) Parsi Zoroastrian dish
- Korean style dumplings with what is likely Russian-influenced kimchi-jjigae
- Otherwise common garlic naan with cocoa dip.
Damn, this is a holy combination of cuisine. Just how much as the Russia-centric clique infiltrated South Asia for this insanity to appear?!?!?! This is what makes LTTW great.
While Thande is away, I figured I'll use the country data from post-"return" updates to compare with OTL to see how population differences might show the immigration patterns.
Finally, a small request: I know it's a relatively smaller player, but a factsheet of Corea would be appreciated. This is the one AH where I see a Korea that rose without BS time travel/slip or absolute massacre of butterflies to bring about.
So let's see, we have
- A localized (turkey) Parsi Zoroastrian dish
- Korean style dumplings with what is likely Russian-influenced kimchi-jjigae
- Otherwise common garlic naan with cocoa dip.
Damn, this is a holy combination of cuisine. Just how much as the Russia-centric clique infiltrated South Asia for this insanity to appear?!?!?! This is what makes LTTW great.
While Thande is away, I figured I'll use the country data from post-"return" updates to compare with OTL to see how population differences might show the immigration patterns.
Finally, a small request: I know it's a relatively smaller player, but a factsheet of Corea would be appreciated. This is the one AH where I see a Korea that rose without BS time travel/slip or absolute massacre of butterflies to bring about.
Obergruppenführer Smith
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Estimated OTL Population: 13,548,000 (assuming Paraguay never had the 50% population reduction from the Paraguayan War)
LTTW OTL Difference: 25,452,000 surplus
Estimated OTL Population: 75,496,000
LTTW OTL Difference: 21,496,000 deficit
It is very noticeable how it seems UPSA gained as much as ENA lost in terms of population. We know the reasons for this difference (ENA being far more exclusive for much longer, combined with UPSA's political and economical development), but I never thought it would be this different. Quite interesting how these numbers were arrived at, and it shows that UPSA does have the population foundation to be a great power in this world.
Estimated OTL Population: 134,597,000 (Not including Lithuania or Finland which added would result in 147,603,000)
LTTW OTL Difference: 7,397,000~20,403,000 surplus
Given that Yapon's population would have been massively reduced compared to OTL from all the plunder, resistance, and massacres, this gain shows just how more developed Russia is with the earlier access to railroads and various geopolitical offenses.
Estimated OTL Population: 303,171,000
LTTW OTL Difference: 13,171,000 deficit
The 19th century has been unkind to China, since Feng has less people than OTL which had the Taiping Rebellion offing at least a minimum of 20 million. I suppose a more general civil war combined with extra deaths from floods really compounded.
I'll do the European countries another time, since they require a lot more research than the above.
In the case of China, I think that should actually be quite a large surplus, given that the Manchu regime in the North is still extant and independent afaik. There was no Taiping Rebellion ITTL, so the population should rightly be higher.
Obergruppenführer Smith
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I'm using the 1909~1911 numbers and going by provinces. At least within the area of Feng's control, the population is lower OTL, at least with the data we have on hand. Maybe Feng's census is out of date, from too early, is faulty, etc.
Ah, ok. That's quite a bit more involved than I had assumed. Interesting.
Maybe Thande needs to edit the numbers. Fengtien China seemed more advanced than Qing China to me....
Obergruppenführer Smith
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It's also why I'm holding back on the European populations for now. I have quite a bit of the census data, but I need to know exactly which area is under who to crunch out a number.
It's simply Feng, as in the phoenix (鳳). Fengtien is the city on the Liaohe up north.
Obergruppenführer Smith
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Yes, but at the same time Qing's population was actually decreasing throughout the latter half of the 19th century after hitting a peak in the 1840s, and only from the 1890s did population started going up. In addition, the 1909-1911 stats I mention actually understates the population, since there was a more than 10% difference between that estimate and the 1912 official census data. In other words, the number I calculated is a reasonable estimate.
1909-1911 Estimates and 1912 Census, based on "China Economic Yearbook" (1934).