Do you mean Superia? Because we know they make it to the 1990s, and as long as they manage to play the Russians and the ENA off against one another...
Look to the West Volume V: To Dream Again
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Just finished the timeline- well it would be accurate to say that I steamrolled through the laconic timeline and then rolled up updates #200-#235 thereafter. It's midnight in Singapore and I've gotten a gist of LTTW in 4 days. (plus preliminary attempts at taking it all in- I got to #100 or so last time around) Will probably revisit the proper updates some time in the future.
Anyway props to Thande for going full narrative. I also note the dramatic rise in number of likes as this thread has progressed from 2015 to 2017.
Haven't read the discussion, but I think the Societists will come to power as the UPSA is losing. idk why
Anyway props to Thande for going full narrative. I also note the dramatic rise in number of likes as this thread has progressed from 2015 to 2017.
Haven't read the discussion, but I think the Societists will come to power as the UPSA is losing. idk why
Yes, it stands to reason that that will be the case. I do hope that you read the full timeline
Trust me, it's worth it. It can get a little dry at times, but it's a fascinating story. Now that the TL is on a break is the perfect time! On another note, personally I think I do prefer the academic way that Thande wrote the TL in before, but the narrative was a welcome break in style.
Trust me, it's worth it. It can get a little dry at times, but it's a fascinating story. Now that the TL is on a break is the perfect time! On another note, personally I think I do prefer the academic way that Thande wrote the TL in before, but the narrative was a welcome break in style.Given the OTL example of the Soviet Union rising from the Russian Empire in a comparable conflict, it's the logical conclusion.
... buuuuuuut, Thande's gonna fuck with us.
... buuuuuuut, Thande's gonna fuck with us.
Societism by itself is a giant way to fuck with us.
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Ten years ago, a guy called "hypern", who was actually a Greenwich lad in his late teens but posted like a 70-year-old Telegraph reader, used to post extremely British threads in chat about how corporal punishment should be brought back to schools and sidewalk chalk should be banned because a rainbow on pavement might cause passing homosexuals to jump off a bridge. He also made so many typos that his posts were nearly incomprehensible, and at one point said that children should be taught about "addab, I neab nabbers". That phrase just sort of inevitably became a catchphrase. It's really hard to explain hypern threads. It's like 'Nam. If you weren't there, you don't get it, man.
Anyway, Thande, I have a lot of catching up to do on this TL, but I really like these most recent updates even with limited context.
Well there are only so many ways the Societists can rise; when the war is being lost, through elections, through violence, through a compromise a lá Hitler's chancellorship, through a March on Rome, at the head of angry veterans, by taking over the multinational corporations, through a youth movement... I look forward to seeing where he takes it.Given the OTL example of the Soviet Union rising from the Russian Empire in a comparable conflict, it's the logical conclusion.
... buuuuuuut, Thande's gonna fuck with us.
inb4 the ENA conquers the UPSA and installs a puppet regime of the seemingly most harmless weirdos with black flags.
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where hypern writes addab. I neab nabbers
a good sample post by hypern
I'd advise not reading the whole thread or even all of hypern's posts in one sitting.
Or... what if the Belgians with their highly advanced espionage capabilities topple the UPSA government, causing the rise to power of a generally inoffensive movement?
Or maybe the Societists gain power in Brazil, spread across the Hernandad, and move their centre of power to the UPSA.
Thanks, guys. But now I'm kind of sorry I asked
If I was Thande, I'd definitely be taking notes
Well, we have seen them try to indoctrinate the youth - for instance, when the man showed those kids his egg trick. I could see all of those things happening at one point or another, but I'm not sure if they'd take over the corporations. In the UPSA the people who head them seem to be more conservative and less likely to tolerate revolution. I wonder if, in describing the revolution, Thande will decide to parallel the rise of the Nazis or of the Soviets. Depending on if they come to power through "legal" means (like the Nazis) or through out and out revolt (like the Soviets) their relationship with the other powers will certainly be strained to different degrees, but from what I understand of the Societist state (Did Thande ever come up with an official name for them? Do they have a name for themselves) it will certainly not be pretty.
* On another note, we know roughly how long it will all last. The Societists are participating in the *Olympics by 1916, and are still around by 1990 (Last War of Supremacy and all that), and I believe that this TTL's 20th century is primarily defined by its relationship to Societism. Considering all of this, the regime is likely to last at least a century.
* On another note, we know roughly how long it will all last. The Societists are participating in the *Olympics by 1916, and are still around by 1990 (Last War of Supremacy and all that), and I believe that this TTL's 20th century is primarily defined by its relationship to Societism. Considering all of this, the regime is likely to last at least a century.
Something I at least do too much in this thread is to analogize Societism too closely with Communism. The parallels are really obvious: an ideology developed in the 19th century that only gains power after the first world war, and fights a long ideological conflict against the "West"... but you and I have to remember it isn't just Communism with a funny name. Societism doesn't care much about economics and doesn't believe in class struggle as a useful endeavor. If anything its vision of a beneficial social hierarchy is closer to fascism, though its lack of militarism and its anti-racism and internationalism make it deeply unlike fascism.
Clearly Societism has strayed from its initial ideals, what with using flags and doctoring Sanchez's works, but this isn't necessarily in the same way that Stalin/Lenin distorted Marx's initial vision. Before praising or damning Societism, realize that it's deeply hard to get a grip in, as both it and Diversitarianism are ideologies that just plain don't exist in OTL. They're like colors that don't exist on Earth.
Clearly Societism has strayed from its initial ideals, what with using flags and doctoring Sanchez's works, but this isn't necessarily in the same way that Stalin/Lenin distorted Marx's initial vision. Before praising or damning Societism, realize that it's deeply hard to get a grip in, as both it and Diversitarianism are ideologies that just plain don't exist in OTL. They're like colors that don't exist on Earth.
It also doesn't strike me as a popular movement, and it's entirely separate from the French Revolution that inspired everything revolutionary IOTL. I suspect it won't come to power with a popular support. Rather, it'll be far more intellectual, gaining influence and support amongst the elites, and I think it will come to power in a coup rather than a civil war.