I cannot see the picture.If anyone is curious about what the Novgorod Monitor looked like:
Look to the West Volume V: To Dream Again
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Great update, glad to see more from Danubia.
Now I want to know what the system of the Ottoman empire looks like now. If they are similar, this might mean we end up with a Societist state stretching at least from Vienna to Constantinople.
Is Austroslav an actual codified language? A language persumably made up of Slavic languages from within the Confederation.
While I don't know what the word (or its etymological equivalent) means in other languages, in Slovak, the etymological equivalent of savez would obviously be zväz. And there is only one historical zväz as a country I can think of and that is Sovietsky zväz (the Soviet Union). And that one was a federation. So this kinda irks me.
I'll get over it though.
I really hope Wehilhimana really wanted to also do this on his own as well. Because Hughes' pitch was terrible.
Keep 'em coming!
Now I want to know what the system of the Ottoman empire looks like now. If they are similar, this might mean we end up with a Societist state stretching at least from Vienna to Constantinople.
Is Austroslav an actual codified language? A language persumably made up of Slavic languages from within the Confederation.
While I don't know what the word (or its etymological equivalent) means in other languages, in Slovak, the etymological equivalent of savez would obviously be zväz. And there is only one historical zväz as a country I can think of and that is Sovietsky zväz (the Soviet Union). And that one was a federation. So this kinda irks me.
I'll get over it though. I really hope Wehilhimana really wanted to also do this on his own as well. Because Hughes' pitch was terrible.
Keep 'em coming!
Excellent work, and the rather more serious Celtic revival is making me grin. Welshman in plaid and torques, from Cardiff to Tonga. Any chance we'll see the Republic of Superia make an appearance soon, being in the middle of the Russo/American slugging match that's about to break out? I wonder how their syncretistic religion stacks up with the Maure versions.
Well that isn't the story of Boudicca's defeat at all, Hughes you liar!
The Sandman
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I think the idea is that while the Russian fleet is away, the Maori roll up and smash the base facilities. With those gone, the Russians no longer have an interest in defending Hawaii and pull out, leaving the islands open to Maori conquest.
Whether it actually works out that way is of course a different story.
Just going by the sound of it, inferred from the spelling, I figured "savez" would be a cognate of "soyuz." In English, "Soyuz Sovetskikh Sotsialisticheskikh Respublik" becomes "Union of Soviet Socialist Republics" so it made sense to me, taking "soyuz/savez" to mean something like union, or federation.
The Slovak example seems to only reinforce that Thande picked a reasonable word. Of course I write as someone with no training in the vocabulary or grammar of any Slavic language.
Yeah, soyuz, zväz, savez and for example Czech svaz are etymological equivalents, but they, due to the Soviet Union, represent a federation, at least in my mind. Danubia's full name is Confederation of the Danube, though and that's why it kinda "irks" me. Even one of the German names, Donaubund, makes me think of a confederation since the German Confederation is Deutscher Bund. But Danubia itself seems to be more a federation than a confederation. Maybe I'm just being too picky with words.
And I'm not saying Thande should change it. It's not like it's impossible for it to be translated this way.
"Union" is a very big distinction from "federation." If a Slavic-language speaking person hears "federation" in the 'soyuz' cognate then I smell a political rat in the traditional rendering of "CCCP" into "USSR" rather than "FSSR"--those evil Bolsheviks would never have anything as freedom-loving as a federation, oh no, they are Unionists! (The reactionaries will have been getting on the "Birth of a Nation" bandwagon too and glorifying the Lost Cause against the damyankees I suppose).
The way to settle the Russian-English issues objectively would be to have recourse to translations before 1917--did Russian texts containing the word 'soyuz' routinely have it rendered 'union'? Or something else?
But even if it was 'union' perhaps that was some sort of systematic mistake?
I am curious what sort of distinction you draw between "federation" and "confederation" but probably it is not relevant to this story.
Though it might be!
The way to settle the Russian-English issues objectively would be to have recourse to translations before 1917--did Russian texts containing the word 'soyuz' routinely have it rendered 'union'? Or something else?
But even if it was 'union' perhaps that was some sort of systematic mistake?
I am curious what sort of distinction you draw between "federation" and "confederation" but probably it is not relevant to this story.
Though it might be!
Well, I don't.
It's just that, like I've already said, there's only zväz as a coutry I can think and that's the Soviet Union. The Communists really loved that word though, as far as I know, using it in names of all sorts of organisations and institutions.Well, I don't.
It strengthens the similarities between the two revolutionary states.
I admit that I am pretty lost right now as I think the last update I read was in Thread 3, and even that was after a long break, so I have a lot of catching up to do.
That said, I'm very interested in this update. It really demonstrates where a lot of the Diversitarian belief will be coming from, with a stronger Celtic Revival, Native peoples pushing back more, and countries like Danubia going to great pains to preserve and respect not just languages and "national" cultures, but even so far down to dialects. I like it, but as a bitter dialect speaker who really wishes it was more recognized, I'm kind of required to.
It might be in a previous update, but does the Bernese Republic do any embracing or formalization of Swiss German (well Barnduutsch variation, but I'll take it) in contrast to Germany's Kulturkrieg?
And while it's impossible for these kind of beliefs to take ground everywhere, it does remind me of your update way back when Ireland was re-established as a second Kingdom and you said Gaelic was extinct as a result. On the one hand, it makes sense if the Irish have the feeling of being in control already and not needing to take part in the revival, but you would think they still have similar feelings as the English or Welsh in being subsumed by American politics and the Revival would have some luck.
That said, I'm very interested in this update. It really demonstrates where a lot of the Diversitarian belief will be coming from, with a stronger Celtic Revival, Native peoples pushing back more, and countries like Danubia going to great pains to preserve and respect not just languages and "national" cultures, but even so far down to dialects. I like it, but as a bitter dialect speaker who really wishes it was more recognized, I'm kind of required to.
It might be in a previous update, but does the Bernese Republic do any embracing or formalization of Swiss German (well Barnduutsch variation, but I'll take it) in contrast to Germany's Kulturkrieg?
And while it's impossible for these kind of beliefs to take ground everywhere, it does remind me of your update way back when Ireland was re-established as a second Kingdom and you said Gaelic was extinct as a result. On the one hand, it makes sense if the Irish have the feeling of being in control already and not needing to take part in the revival, but you would think they still have similar feelings as the English or Welsh in being subsumed by American politics and the Revival would have some luck.
Thande
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Thanks for the comments everyone and Merry Christmas; I was considering squeezing another update out before Christmas but it didn't seem thematically appropriate as, unlike the past two years or so, I couldn't find a way to make the material of the upcoming updates feel seasonally appropriate. So instead look forward to more either just before or just after the New Year.
OTOH, "Bundesrepublik Deutschland" is usually translated "Federal Republic of Germany." Political terms in general are notoriously flexible.
Yeah, now that I think about it, both the German Confederation and the modern day Federal Republic of Germany use word spolok in Slovak. It's really confusing.
Looking for something like this: http://wiki.alternatehistory.com/doku.php?id=timelines:timeline_for_look_to_the_west?