I thought "well, nobody cares about economic rankings of all things" but I forgot what website I was on
"Please list how average railing height has been altered and by which degree in which nation?"
Look to the West Volume V: To Dream Again
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"Please list how average railing height has been altered and by which degree in which nation?"
I more meant the principle of a spoiler than anything.I thought "well, nobody cares about economic rankings of all things" but I forgot what website I was on
(Glad to know I was right though.)
French India suffering the least among the Indian regions during the Great Jihad did not prevent it from becoming an economic liability, though.
And such colonies do not make someone's economy richer.
Also, only Carnatic would be counted towards the French economy. Mysore is an independent ally at this point.
Colonies in India do. India was profitable through the whole of British rule. That's why the loss of India hurt them so bad and the rest of the holdings fell apart soon after, without India they couldn't afford the rest. (Well, a few bits in the East Indies were reasonably profitable as well I think, but not to the level of India).
While the initial conquests were a net loss, over time, colonies in India grew to be profitable in Britain's case, at least.
Apparently, the problem for TTL French was that the Great Jihad and other events reversed this development, creating new costs and more competition for the FEIC which had greatly benefited from cooperation with the other established EICs in India.
Corsica, Sardinia and Sicily are now the Tyrrhenian Union, Naples is part of Italy, Scandinavia is in Russia's Vitebsk customs union and Belgium... hmmm... they could probably benefit by getting in bed with France since Germany is still probably breathing down their necks because of their Rheinland territories and East Frisia.
The threat of German aggression against Belgium is non-existent. It is more likely that Germany ends up at war with Bavaria, a country German nationalists would like to see as part of the German Federal Empire.
I don't think that Belgium wants to be a staunch neutral during the conflict between the Hanoverian Alliance and Hermandad because this conflict offers the Belgians an opportunity to fight and win against the Cape Republic and the Batavian Republic, something that was not possible as long as the UPSA was not distracted by the war against a great power.
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Oh hey, a Sanchezist! That's cool. Makes sense that a fringe ideology would have one or two adherents abroad.
Now, is Héloïse Rouvier a real person ITTL or a fictionalized/embellished version of one? Because notice the motivation behind her dress: she idolized Horatie Bonaparte Leclerc. In other words, it's a dress rooted in the cultural/political history of France. That seems Diversitarianism. We know they schedule annual riots to keep historical controversies alive, and encourage multiple conflicting readings of historical events, so this sort of cosplaying/tribute feels in line with that.
Japan being mentioned in the writeup of Russia is notable, considering (IIRC) that in-universe Japan something of a global backwater. It makes me wonder if more is in store for Japan, or Yapon, or however it's spelled ITTL, given that they're in an odd place politically. They'd likely have anti-colonialist sentiment due to Russian/Corean domination and so wouldn't truck much with Societism, but their own native culture has been badly bruised by that apocalyptic civil war, so Diversitarianism would be problematic to a lesser degree. Plus, we know that some strands of political thought in Russia end up being extremely anti-Societist, to the point that they consider learning a foreign language to be a sign of mental illness. While that wouldn't be a mainstream thought, the fact it's in the body politic suggests fun times for a multilingual empire.
Finally, the handwringing over reimposing slavery on Carolina seems like it has a two-fold rhetorical purpose in-universe. It acknowledges an uncomfortable political fact that ITTL readers would presumably know about, while also defusing it both with protagonists who disagree with the morality of the decision and with how practice events unfold—blacks leaking information across the border due to fears of re-enslavement, thus undermining the war effort. This clearly paints the slavery idea as A Bad Idea. Which might itself tie into the comments in the past about how Diversitarianism acknowledges past class issues but says they've moved past them, while Societism is about entrenching an Ur-hierarchy.
Now, is Héloïse Rouvier a real person ITTL or a fictionalized/embellished version of one? Because notice the motivation behind her dress: she idolized Horatie Bonaparte Leclerc. In other words, it's a dress rooted in the cultural/political history of France. That seems Diversitarianism. We know they schedule annual riots to keep historical controversies alive, and encourage multiple conflicting readings of historical events, so this sort of cosplaying/tribute feels in line with that.
Japan being mentioned in the writeup of Russia is notable, considering (IIRC) that in-universe Japan something of a global backwater. It makes me wonder if more is in store for Japan, or Yapon, or however it's spelled ITTL, given that they're in an odd place politically. They'd likely have anti-colonialist sentiment due to Russian/Corean domination and so wouldn't truck much with Societism, but their own native culture has been badly bruised by that apocalyptic civil war, so Diversitarianism would be problematic to a lesser degree. Plus, we know that some strands of political thought in Russia end up being extremely anti-Societist, to the point that they consider learning a foreign language to be a sign of mental illness. While that wouldn't be a mainstream thought, the fact it's in the body politic suggests fun times for a multilingual empire.
Finally, the handwringing over reimposing slavery on Carolina seems like it has a two-fold rhetorical purpose in-universe. It acknowledges an uncomfortable political fact that ITTL readers would presumably know about, while also defusing it both with protagonists who disagree with the morality of the decision and with how practice events unfold—blacks leaking information across the border due to fears of re-enslavement, thus undermining the war effort. This clearly paints the slavery idea as A Bad Idea. Which might itself tie into the comments in the past about how Diversitarianism acknowledges past class issues but says they've moved past them, while Societism is about entrenching an Ur-hierarchy.
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Or perhaps she's somebody who genuinely did do that but ended up becoming adopted as one of the founders of diversitarianism, either through her actions or retrospective analysis?
I don't think there will be founders of Diversitarianism in TTL. From an OTL perspective we think of it as weird and definitely an ideology, but from TTL's perspective it's just the way things are and always have been, as people don't realise that the backlash against Societism has made something arguably as different from the old order as Societism itself (following the analogy to how capitalism was defined only after its opponents spoke of it). Who speaks about founders of capitalism in our world? Some people talk about Adam Smith, but not that frequently. Capitalism doesn't have a universally recognised founder or set of founders equivalent to Marx or Engels or Lenin. It's just there.
That's not to say there won't be ideologues who end up being important to the development of Diversitarianism, but they won't be recognised as having helped to create it, because, from a TTL perspective, it isn't something recently created, it's just the way the world was for many years before anyone even thought of Societism.
That's not to say there won't be ideologues who end up being important to the development of Diversitarianism, but they won't be recognised as having helped to create it, because, from a TTL perspective, it isn't something recently created, it's just the way the world was for many years before anyone even thought of Societism.
Though I don't think Diversitarianism will have been given its name by Sanchez the way capitalism was by Marx, given Sanchez himself getting angry at Societists naming themselves. Caraibas, maybe, but I think it might have been mentioned.
So I think it's plausible there might be some "Great Counter-Societists", in a somewhat similar way to the Counter-Reformation. Though, like the Counter-Reformation and the Council of Trent, it may be identified with a body/event rather than individuals.
I've been kind of half-waiting for that one since the name first appeared. At least now I can stop anticipating it. (I'm assuming he shall say this only once...)
A very interesting update, particularly the Neutral Alliance.
The thing I'm wondering is whether this Neutral Alliance will prove more hardy then the Non-Aligned Movement did in OTL, or whether it will end up getting subsumed into one side or the other. Countries that have attempted to sit on the sidelines in LTTW haven't traditionally prospered for very long.
Are you talking about Pandoric War or the later conflict between Societism and Diversitarianism?