Look to the West Volume V: To Dream Again
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Yeah, if anything Diversitarianism sounds even crazier than Societism at times.
Though, I suppose not all Diversitarian schools put as much emphasis on "re-enactments" (aka semi-organised mob-fights) as others.
Yeah, if anything Diversitarianism sounds even crazier than Societism at times.
Though, I suppose not all Diversitarian schools put as much emphasis on "re-enactments" (aka semi-organised mob-fights) as others.
Yeah Diversitarianism does sound like the crazier of the two. Societism just sounds neutral evil while Diversitarianism is chaotic neutral.
Are you implying that mandatory riots are a good thing?
Are you a proponent of the Purge?
Are you implying that mandatory riots are a good thing?
It integrates people who like riots and regulates the riots.
It is also done for a higher cause.
You're joking, right? Please, tell me you're joking. Because that's pretty creepy.
What is creepy about it?
As long as it is well-regulated and there is enough medical staff available, it would not bother me.
It also sounds rather Orwelian. In Nineteen Eighty-Four, the people of London are regularly encouraged to rile against the ideological enemies of the state for two minutes.
People will do things for their ideology that seems nonsensical to outsiders. Consider what Communion looked like to the Romans.
Diversitarian riots are not against ideological enemies, though.
At least not directly.
They are an expression of the Diversitarian slogan: Divided we stand, united we fall.
Okay then. Meme on, my friend. Meme on.
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Communion doesn't cause injuries and damge to property though.
Yeah Diversitarianism does sound like the crazier of the two. Societism just sounds neutral evil while Diversitarianism is chaotic neutral.
Are you implying that mandatory riots are a good thing?
Are you a proponent of the Purge?
Societism sounds more Legal Neutral or Legal Evil to me. I agree Diversitarianism is Chaotic Neutral, although a case for Chaotic Evil might perhaps be made.
IIRC there were comments much earlier to the effect that Diversitarianism's excesses were rather comparable to capitalism's in OTL. Marx built an ideological framework, and many strands of thought in capitalism grew to rather extreme rebuttals where ideas were proposed and pursued that wouldn't have occurred to society at all were it not so focused on being NOT-Marxist. I believe the same is happening here with a fervent backlash against Societism.
Also along those lines, I realized something. OTL Marx was not only responsible for creating a new economic theory; among many academics he's regarded as one of the first sociologists. And his framework for understanding human history in his dialectics places the human craving for power at the center of all of history: Conflict theories as I believe they're called, where a great deal of emphasis is placed upon inequalities and the holding of power by different groups of people over others. If TTL does not have Marxist thought at all... academia and whole slews of thought could be radically different.
Also along those lines, I realized something. OTL Marx was not only responsible for creating a new economic theory; among many academics he's regarded as one of the first sociologists. And his framework for understanding human history in his dialectics places the human craving for power at the center of all of history: Conflict theories as I believe they're called, where a great deal of emphasis is placed upon inequalities and the holding of power by different groups of people over others. If TTL does not have Marxist thought at all... academia and whole slews of thought could be radically different.
There may well be Communist-style planned economies ITTL, but this isn't going the primary issue, and whilst an exact counterpart to Marx in terms of economics may not exist ITTL, there would still be various socialist schools of thought. Instead, Diversitarianism would welcome differing economic theories. Even if they consider said system to be functionally wrong, but right for others to consider using them.
As I mentioned in a previous post, I predict that the Diversitarian bloc would have everything from indicative planning to (near-)unregulated capitalism, and everything from highly liberal democracies (like California) to highly authoritarian states (like Panchala, and probably Russia). However, ITTL, they would all be cooperating, rather than fighting against each other*.
IOTL the capitalist West supported many highly unpalatable authoritarian regimes, simply because they weren't socialist. ITTL, I can see the Diversitarians supporting anything that opposes Societism, regardless of how similar they are to themselves, simply because they oppose the Combine - for example, there may be authoritarian Diversitarians propping up Mentian groups in countries at risk of falling to Societism; indeed, the fact they are different in and of itself may well be supported. One part of the TL has a mention of Mujahedeen fighting against Societists in OTL Indonesia; they are probably supported by at least some Diversitarian states (likely Russia, Panchala, Corea and/or China), despite how they would otherwise be considered unpalatable in other TLs (e.g. for religious reasons).
*Officially at least - I can see individual members of the Diversitarian bloc fighting each other from time to time for political gain, and similarly for Societist states.