Look to the West Volume V: To Dream Again
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Woohoo, more LTTW! 
I see what you did there.
OMG, OTL needs this word! It'd prevent so many arguments on the Internet.
Does that mean that Siam now controls all of Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia? Am I understanding this correctly?
I thought that Hainan was under French and Scandinavian occupation.
I see what you did there.
OMG, OTL needs this word! It'd prevent so many arguments on the Internet.
Does that mean that Siam now controls all of Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia? Am I understanding this correctly?
I thought that Hainan was under French and Scandinavian occupation.
That was, as certain among my friends say, lush. I know you hate people saying this, especially so soon after Alex's excellent American effort, but would it be possible to get a map of the two Chinas post-RWII? Not being familiar with Chinese Geography (great album title), it's hard to understand the full impact of what's just happened.
Now we're seeing the United Mauré starting to build their empire, what's going on in the rest of the South Pacific? Have the European/Novamundine powers begun colonising yet? It'd be interesting to see what's going on there and in Hawaii, if there's enough happening to justify an update...
Speaking of areas I'd like to see, it'd be really cool to get an update on all of those tiny European states that haven't really featured so far (assuming there's anything to feature) - Iceland, Andorra, Ragusa, the Republic of Man, Malta and the like.
Now we're seeing the United Mauré starting to build their empire, what's going on in the rest of the South Pacific? Have the European/Novamundine powers begun colonising yet? It'd be interesting to see what's going on there and in Hawaii, if there's enough happening to justify an update...
Speaking of areas I'd like to see, it'd be really cool to get an update on all of those tiny European states that haven't really featured so far (assuming there's anything to feature) - Iceland, Andorra, Ragusa, the Republic of Man, Malta and the like.
Alex Richards
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I just know that at some point I'm going to end up doing another map for Asia once we've got a good idea of what India looks like now.
You mean Feng.
Maybe, unless Feng China did retain the part of Tonkin it has controlled since the First Sino-Siamese War (#152).
Me too.
What happened to Hainan and Ceylon?
This post-RWI map should be sufficient to see the territorial changes in China.
I was under the impression that this post confirmed Siam's annexation of that area too.
Thande
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Thanks for the comments everyone and the corrections (which I will make when I'm on my writing computer so I can edit the original file in synch).
Just wish I'd thought of it earlier (previous instances of this: 'Meridian'; referring to Joshua Churchill as Bloody Blandford).OMG, OTL needs this word! It'd prevent so many arguments on the Internet.
Thanks for pointing this out - the idea is that the Feng Chinese got it back after the Great American War with those two countries retreating from the East to some extent, but I only realise now you've said it that I've never actually written that in the text. I often forget just what has been put on the page and what is just in my head so please do point out apparent contradictions like this. (I will discuss it in a future update now, anachronic order FTW)
Yeah, I have an easily editable basemap from a while ago so I will do that fairly soon.
Good idea. I might even remember to write something about Navarre this time
So if "Novamundine" refers to the New World, is there a niche for "Vetumundine" or something to reference the Old World?
Thande
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Here's the requested map. Trouble is you have to go forward a bit to let all the dust of the wars settle, and that means there are some minor spoilers, but there you go.
Great - now I want to know what's happening with the Gorkhas.
Thande, you are such a tease...
PS - I have managed to see the North America map at last, and it is AWESOME!
Thande, you are such a tease...
PS - I have managed to see the North America map at last, and it is AWESOME!
I wonder why the French did it.
It is understandable that the Scandinavians would not try to stand up to to Feng China after the disastrous Unification War
and the subsequent expulsion of Scandinavian military advisors from Beiqing China.
OTOH, the French want to remain an influential player in the Far East and are willing to oppose Feng China as their support of the Liaodong republic shows.
Leaving Hainan does not help their cause.
(Meridian) Luzon got the wrong colour.
Thande
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"Various Europeans" in this sense implicitly includes Novamundines (that part of the key is off the earlier versions of these maps).
I love Dr. Lister's choice of quotes!
Admittedly, the currency of the Kingdom of England puzzles me a little...Us screwing things up for the Chinese? Well, as you said, we are the Forrest Gump of history.
Note: Took me ten full minutes to figure out what the title was a reference to. I keep looking through the text going "Come on, there must be some reference to Tolkien here, is this like a parallel version of some of the wars in the Silmarillion or something? I mean, how could there be middle-earth in-... Oh! Oooh... OOH!! That's clever!"
Thande
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It's not changed substantially since it was discussed back in (IIRC) Volume III. One Royal is ten Florins and one Florin is ten Farthings (but they are abbreviated m for mill).I love Dr. Lister's choice of quotes!
Loosely inspired by an earlier OTL incident where the Qing Chinese in the 18th century tried to modernise their artillery with Swedish advisors, but it didn't turn out too well I believe.
You've actually stumbled upon a point of Swedish 18th century history that I was entirely unaware of. Got any reference for where you learned this?
Thande
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Warfare in the Eighteenth Century by Jeremy Black. Has a number of interesting factoids but not a lot of detail. (Another intriguing Chinese-related part was that apparently some Chinese writer wrote a Dies the Fire scenario where Chang'e stops gunpowder from working because it had destroyed the glory of warfare and turned it into slaughter, or something).
Thanks. Will check it up and see if I could use it somehow!
The notion of that guns and projectile weapons takes away some of the glory of warfare is a trope I've never understood and never will understand. Like, in Star Wars when Obi-Wan describes the light sabre as an "elegant weapon for a more civilized age" always struck me as... Weird. I find the notion of shooting your foe far more elegant and subtle than actually cutting him up or dismembering him.
In my view, the most elegant warfare you could fight would be warfare as practiced on Eminiar VII in A Taste of Armageddon.
(Weird thing about Star Trek is that quite often I find myself going "The aliens actually do have a point, it's us humans who are doing the stupid thing.")
I would guess it's seen as taking away the personal aspect and making the enemy more faceless goons.Thanks. Will check it up and see if I could use it somehow!
The notion of that guns and projectile weapons takes away some of the glory of warfare is a trope I've never understood and never will understand. Like, in Star Wars when Obi-Wan describes the light sabre as an "elegant weapon for a more civilized age" always struck me as... Weird. I find the notion of shooting your foe far more elegant and subtle than actually cutting him up or dismembering him.
In my view, the most elegant warfare you could fight would be warfare as practiced on Eminiar VII in A Taste of Armageddon.
(Weird thing about Star Trek is that quite often I find myself going "The aliens actually do have a point, it's us humans who are doing the stupid thing.")