It also has numerous examples of, for example, German immigrants adapting their surnames to be more English-sounding. It is rather more conformist in terms of other cultures than the US is.
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It also has numerous examples of, for example, German immigrants adapting their surnames to be more English-sounding. It is rather more conformist in terms of other cultures than the US is.
Fair points.
But to assume it's all WASP is borderline impossible with its sheer size and traditional immigration to Anglo-America since even before the POD, as well as absorbing Catholics through various wars with the powers to the south. This also belies the Anglicization that can and has gone on in OTL as well.
The British being very committed to dragging their feet as much as possible could be interpreted by Americans as de facto neutrality and not accepted.
The Great American War, currently last previous war against "the powers to the south" ended up with the ENA losing plenty of Catholics/non-WASP.
Decades later they lost some more when the Imperial Cuba-remnant was seceded to the Adamantine Republic of of Cuba.
Oh god, I've sparked quite the discussion with my assumption. 
I personally was also thinking of all the blacks and Indians left in the country - as well as Germans, Scandinavians and the French-speakers.
So Britain declaring war on the ENA? That sounds stupid and pointless. What could the British even gain from that?
And I'm sure it's not always.
I find this the more likely scenario. OR the Scottish could try to seize the opportunity and try declare support (and possibly autonomy or independence for themselves) for the ENA which could lead to a civil war and the Inglorious Revolution where the Scotts join Americans against the English who will then be somehow pushed into the Meridian block.
I personally was also thinking of all the blacks and Indians left in the country - as well as Germans, Scandinavians and the French-speakers.
So Britain declaring war on the ENA? That sounds stupid and pointless. What could the British even gain from that?
And I'm sure it's not always.
I find this the more likely scenario. OR the Scottish could try to seize the opportunity and try declare support (and possibly autonomy or independence for themselves) for the ENA which could lead to a civil war and the Inglorious Revolution where the Scotts join Americans against the English who will then be somehow pushed into the Meridian block.
Not quite, though earlier posts by Thande have made allusions to different schools of societism, some of which are downright heterodox to what we might call "mainline" societism that gets its start in the UPSA. Rough analogues to the Frankfurt school in OTL, or Catalonian style political anarchism versus the Classical variety.
Germans and Scandinavians are white and mostly Protestant.
As for the rest, Americans are known ITTL for purging French-speaker from their territory.
How many French-speakers are going to stay in the American part of the former French Louisiana?
They have several Catholic-friendly alternatives with French-speaking populations nearby.
The same applies to many Indians who have Superia as an alternative to living in the ENA.
The ENA lost much of its black population as a result of the secession of Carolina and migration to Freedonia.
Why not the Vitebsk bloc? The Scandinavians are on the other side of the German Sea, not on the other side of the Atlantic like the Hermandad.
So Britain declaring war on the ENA? That sounds stupid and pointless. What could the British even gain from that?
And I'm sure it's not always.
I think its more likely Britain will declare neutrality. This probably won't be acceptable to the ENA because even a neutral Britain makes Scandanavian and Russian commerce raiding easier. As a result, the ENA will try and muscle its way in but be driven off after misjudging the situation. Angry at being attacked by the ENA, the British government will declare Fredrick king and either be a de facto or de jure ally of Russia/Scandinavia. At the same time, we will probably see the ENA start supporting the Scottish rebels, leading to the rift between America and Britain deepening and making reconciliation impossible.
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They are still different ethnicities and they haven't had as much cultural contact with the British peoples whose cultures amalgamated much more with each other than let's say English and German or English and Danish culture. Assimilation is of course another thing and if Thande said something specific on that I'd like to re-read it because I don't remember.
There are still some in OTL's Quebec area. Not a lot of them, but that's who I'm refering to.
Okay, I forgot about that.
I just said Meridian because I was working under the assumption that there are two sides, one led (or "led") by the ENA and the other by the UPSA. And if the Vitebsk bloc is allied to/alligned with Hermandad, then it's just a trivial difference. Meridians probably couldn't be helpful to the British anyway since they're far from South America and the UPSA's sphere of influence.
I like this.
I'm not quite yet convinced that Britain and the ENA end up coming to blows.
There are a of couple things that reinforce this notion to me. The first is are that in one of the exerts mentioning the Hanoverian relationship in the 20th century called it the Hanoverian Alliance, a slight but clearly intentional alteration of the historiographic term Hanoverian Dominions. To me this signifies that America and England (and its monarchies) are still quite close but are definitively separate and equal in terms of national sovereignty, no more swiping super cool battleships because the American Emperor says so.
I also don't think the split will take place during the Pandoric War which seems to cover 1896-1900, but the extended aftermath when postwar world is really starting to calcify. My basis for this is from part 184 when the once-used history book "Chasing After the Wind" which covers the period 1807 to 1907. 1807 being the Jacobin invasion and my guess is that 1907 is the Third Glorious Revolution mentioned at the end of the bit about Britain's bit in the Popular Wars. GR3 is clearly when the dynastic split takes place and I think it will be largely bloodless as most people around the world in 1907 will likely still be reeling from the world's biggest war ever just ending a few years prior. More likely the already-brewing resentment on the British Isles will be compounded by the some notable screwups in the Pandoric War blamed on American (mis?)handling of the war.
Finally as much as there is resentment in the dynastic union I still doubt many Brits actually want to fight it out with many Americans. Plus such an allied-division also neatly fits in Diversitarian Ideology about the differentness of American and British/English nations. Don't get me wrong the unhappy divorce is coming, I just don't think it will involve violence. And I am rather unconvinced that Britain/England would so rapidly join the opposing political bloc. Though the Scottish question may itself lead to some minor bloodshed locally and could be a bit of a snit between England America for a short while, though for some reason I feel like Scotland will end up a republic.
There are a of couple things that reinforce this notion to me. The first is are that in one of the exerts mentioning the Hanoverian relationship in the 20th century called it the Hanoverian Alliance, a slight but clearly intentional alteration of the historiographic term Hanoverian Dominions. To me this signifies that America and England (and its monarchies) are still quite close but are definitively separate and equal in terms of national sovereignty, no more swiping super cool battleships because the American Emperor says so.
I also don't think the split will take place during the Pandoric War which seems to cover 1896-1900, but the extended aftermath when postwar world is really starting to calcify. My basis for this is from part 184 when the once-used history book "Chasing After the Wind" which covers the period 1807 to 1907. 1807 being the Jacobin invasion and my guess is that 1907 is the Third Glorious Revolution mentioned at the end of the bit about Britain's bit in the Popular Wars. GR3 is clearly when the dynastic split takes place and I think it will be largely bloodless as most people around the world in 1907 will likely still be reeling from the world's biggest war ever just ending a few years prior. More likely the already-brewing resentment on the British Isles will be compounded by the some notable screwups in the Pandoric War blamed on American (mis?)handling of the war.
Finally as much as there is resentment in the dynastic union I still doubt many Brits actually want to fight it out with many Americans. Plus such an allied-division also neatly fits in Diversitarian Ideology about the differentness of American and British/English nations. Don't get me wrong the unhappy divorce is coming, I just don't think it will involve violence. And I am rather unconvinced that Britain/England would so rapidly join the opposing political bloc. Though the Scottish question may itself lead to some minor bloodshed locally and could be a bit of a snit between England America for a short while, though for some reason I feel like Scotland will end up a republic.
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"...or an anarchy in which the state had become obsolete. ... Anarchist Societism. The latter group still exists to this day, using a grey and white chequered flag, and their role in some of the Old World Societist powers remains a thorn in the side of the orthodox State Societists who dominate the core of the Combine."
So Danubia and the Eternal State will most likely be Anarchist Societists given the split between them and the Combine.
So Danubia and the Eternal State will most likely be Anarchist Societists given the split between them and the Combine.
But very closely related.
After all, the AS in WASP stands for Anglo-Saxons, descendants of people who migrated from mostly future German-Nordic areas to Britain.
We are talking about American people, aren't we?
The first North American emperor was from Germany as well as a part of his subjects making North American Germans a group of people that should be one of the best integrated in the ENA.
At this point, they are either absorbed by much more numerous English-speaking population of New England, New York and Michigan without having any noticeable impact on the population or left for other parts of North America like Superia to join the Métis or former French Louisiana.
So, you are suggesting that the dissolution of the Hanoverian Dominions will be TTL's equivalent of the dissolution of the union between Norway and Sweden in 1905?
What is going to happen to Ireland?
@rednax7 Independent Scotland has been described as a kingdom multiple times during the timeline, and (so far) never as a republic.
I can't remember any mention that the Societomans were actively hostile to the Combine, only that they were (by the present) not affiliated with it, after the Sunrise War.
I can't remember any mention that the Societomans were actively hostile to the Combine, only that they were (by the present) not affiliated with it, after the Sunrise War.
Well, I've read the last two updates, and I can only say that LTTW has hit another major milestone.
Thoughts:
- lovely interlude chapter, had some great banter that was both funny and informative. Though I have to wonder whether this is the last time we see our intrepid multiverse spies... I'm getting the impression you'll be putting them to rest from further missions in TimeLine L.
- the more I read the interlude chapters, the more I get the distinct impression that TimeLine A isn't fully what we'd perceive as OTL. Still, it certainly seems closer to our reality than LTTW's timeline. Interesting bit of observation on speculative romance not being perceived as broadly as over here, given the lack of enough backing for multiverse theories.
- great map ! Detailed enough (B Munro style) to give one an idea of what the situation is nearly 200 years after the POD, and yet sparse enough to stay easily readable and not reveal too much. If I may ask, could we also get a rough map of the major pre-Pandoric political/military alliances, in respective colours ? I'd love to see one like that (if only because I enjoy all the Entente and Central Powers alliance maps from OTL).
- I actually approve of your decision to do the Pandoric War chapters in a more narrative style. No shark jumping expected. Given how dry or endlessly detail-obsessed our non-fiction about 20th century conflicts can get, I feel a more vignette/snippet approach could be actually beneficial. I'm already wondering how much ideological bias will be present in the period materials documenting all of the conflicts...
"What's this ?! We've landed in a walled-in cupboard ? I need a breacher on the door. Get this door opened !"
"Right away, sir. C4 to the door. One shattered door, coming up..."
*places charge*
"3, 2, 1..."
"Um... No ! Wait ! We'll..."
*terrifying explosion*
Would have been a really anticlimactic end to captain MacCauley and his co-workers.
Thoughts:
- lovely interlude chapter, had some great banter that was both funny and informative. Though I have to wonder whether this is the last time we see our intrepid multiverse spies... I'm getting the impression you'll be putting them to rest from further missions in TimeLine L.
- the more I read the interlude chapters, the more I get the distinct impression that TimeLine A isn't fully what we'd perceive as OTL. Still, it certainly seems closer to our reality than LTTW's timeline. Interesting bit of observation on speculative romance not being perceived as broadly as over here, given the lack of enough backing for multiverse theories.
- great map ! Detailed enough (B Munro style) to give one an idea of what the situation is nearly 200 years after the POD, and yet sparse enough to stay easily readable and not reveal too much. If I may ask, could we also get a rough map of the major pre-Pandoric political/military alliances, in respective colours ? I'd love to see one like that (if only because I enjoy all the Entente and Central Powers alliance maps from OTL).
- I actually approve of your decision to do the Pandoric War chapters in a more narrative style. No shark jumping expected. Given how dry or endlessly detail-obsessed our non-fiction about 20th century conflicts can get, I feel a more vignette/snippet approach could be actually beneficial. I'm already wondering how much ideological bias will be present in the period materials documenting all of the conflicts...
"What's this ?! We've landed in a walled-in cupboard ? I need a breacher on the door. Get this door opened !"
"Right away, sir. C4 to the door. One shattered door, coming up..."
*places charge*
"3, 2, 1..."
"Um... No ! Wait ! We'll..."
*terrifying explosion*
Would have been a really anticlimactic end to captain MacCauley and his co-workers.
Good question. I found a Hanoverian alliance, but it was in the Great American War.
The big question for me has been figuring out how on Earth Carolina could end up Societist from here.
It defies reason that the ENA would fail to conquer the place given their economic and logistic advantages. Neither a total war scenario, nor their experience in the last war would seem to admit the possibility.
The only solution I can see given the information we have so far is for Carolina to secede again in the next century. But what circumstances might lead to such a thing are beyond me....
Edit: Oh right. I just caught up with all this. It's glorious.
It defies reason that the ENA would fail to conquer the place given their economic and logistic advantages. Neither a total war scenario, nor their experience in the last war would seem to admit the possibility.
The only solution I can see given the information we have so far is for Carolina to secede again in the next century. But what circumstances might lead to such a thing are beyond me....
Edit: Oh right. I just caught up with all this. It's glorious.
The ENA had the same economic and logistic advantages during the Great American War and afterwards yet they lost in Carolina.
Sure, this time there be likely less opposition to war against Carolina, but now there will be new issues like the fact that Carolina is now truly a foreign country with an increasingly Meridianized elite rather than a rebellious confederation of the ENA. The anti-slavery card does not work either anymore.
I'm predicting that the chaos of the 1920s will feature the ENA losing a lot of its gains in the Pandoric War, most notably Carolina.
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