I suppose I forgot when Hispaniola was annexed. It didn't seem to get much mention on the wiki.
Look to the West Volume V: To Dream Again
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I suppose I forgot when Hispaniola was annexed. It didn't seem to get much mention on the wiki.
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Part of the problem with this question is that no country has yet gone full-on-Societist, though we know the UPSA will end up doing so at some point in the future of the TL (probably after the Pandoric War).
There are several updates that state that Carolina, the Ottoman Empire and Danubia are all Societist, Spain and some part of Japan are implied to have gone Societist, and mention has been made of Mujahedeen fighting against Societists in alt-Indonesia. Danubia has a form of Societism which is opposed to the "orthodox" version, with the split forming over a revisionist controversy of some kind.
I don't think Thande's really posted anything that officially confirms the different variations of Societism as yet, but there's plenty of time for this later.
Well, Russia and California do (authoritarian and liberal strands respectively), and they are both multi-ethnic.
There are other countries as well I'd say - the ENA, the countries of the British Isles, possibly Germany, China and maybe Scandinavia(n countries), Belgium and Corea if they are Diversitarian.
And I was under the impression that California would be neutral.
The impression I had been given was a bit OTL Sweden-ish - often pro-Societist in rhetoric, but neutral in Diversitarianism's favour when the chips are down.
Superia in particular strikes me as both multiethnic and Diversitarian.
Given that the slogan of the Assembly of Sovereign Nations is "Divided We Stand, United We Fall", one would suspect they have a certain ideological opposition to the concept. Quite how that plays out in a state like Russia (or even England, with its Welsh-speaking minority) remains to be seen. But they do seem quite accepting of migrants if the start of Vol. 4 is to be believed - so long as they don't claim to be nationals of the state in which they live...
I could see either a Freedom of Movement system which is actually popular, or some kind of common visa system between many Diversitarian countries, FOR GREAT DIVERSITY.
One nitpick about that depiction of Liverpool - that should read "crop of English, Welsh and Irish it started with". 
Welsh speakers were the biggest minority in Liverpool before the Irish started arriving in large numbers. If anything, with a potato famine being not as bad ITTL, the Irish population in Great Britain (or England and Scotland by TTL's present) would be lower, at least during the 19th century. On the other hand, this may have reversed in the 20th and 21st century, with Irish guest workers needed, especially if the demographic transition happens as soon as it did IOTL.
Welsh speakers were the biggest minority in Liverpool before the Irish started arriving in large numbers. If anything, with a potato famine being not as bad ITTL, the Irish population in Great Britain (or England and Scotland by TTL's present) would be lower, at least during the 19th century. On the other hand, this may have reversed in the 20th and 21st century, with Irish guest workers needed, especially if the demographic transition happens as soon as it did IOTL.
You may have noticed that modern LTTW Russia is called the Russian Confederation.
Maybe they joined ASN later than most and differ from mainstream Diversitarianism.
It would be odd if Diversitarianism is ideologically less diverse than Societism.
One nitpick about that depiction of Liverpool - that should read "crop of English, Welsh and Irish it started with".
Welsh speakers were the biggest minority in Liverpool before the Irish started arriving in large numbers.
That is not your UK.
TTL Scottish secession could have caused a backlash against regionalism/potential secessionism, ensuring that Welsh are regarded as English who sometimes speak an odd language.
I'm curious/worried about how the Welsh will be treated ITTL. Of course with a weaker British state, it is possible that the Welsh are never persecuted as heavily and the Blue Books never happens.
I think it is very probable that Societism is used in a large part of the world to suppress secessionist groups. In the aftermath of the Pandoric War, I suspect that the losing side* will be racked by nationalist groups trying to break away and form new nations. In the chaos, the existing dominant nationalities start seeing societism as the solution to their problems and they will suppress many of the nationalists on the grounds that they are dividing humanity/sowing conflict. The same logic by which white is treated as the default in America today, in fact using very similar logic to some anti-civil rights campaigners in the 1950s US.
*Which is why I suspect the "sides" in the Pandoric War will be the UPSA, Siam, Russia, Scandinavia, Danubia, the Ottoman Empire and Britain vs. ENA, France, Germany, Italy, South China, Maure with the ENA-led alliance coming out on top (more or less). Of the losing side, Britain and Russia will be the outlayers but the rest are either confirmed as going societist or are unknown. I also predict that the Pandoric War will see what is left of New Spain being broken up and reconquering Carolina, only to lose it again during the 1920s along any parts of South America that the ENA 'liberates' from the UPSA.
teg
Yeah, Scouse-accented English and Gog-accented Welsh are almost exactly the same accent, it can be a bit disturbing.One nitpick about that depiction of Liverpool - that should read "crop of English, Welsh and Irish it started with".
Welsh speakers were the biggest minority in Liverpool before the Irish started arriving in large numbers. If anything, with a potato famine being not as bad ITTL, the Irish population in Great Britain (or England and Scotland by TTL's present) would be lower, at least during the 19th century. On the other hand, this may have reversed in the 20th and 21st century, with Irish guest workers needed, especially if the demographic transition happens as soon as it did IOTL.
Though I think the most likely explanation is Wostyn over-simplifying/just being wrong.
More specifically, the Merseyside and Deeside areas represent an accent continuum.
Fair enough. Wostyn may not be aware of the Welsh heritage of Liverpool.
Britain has basically been ignored/bullied by the ENA for the last half a century or so, most notably with the Lionheart debacle. In that light, I think the war could be the straw that breaks the camel's back with the Duke of York deciding to set himself up as King Fredrick III. On a meta-level, I think it would go against the convention that America and Britain are always on the same side in a world war analogue, unless Britain is occupied by Germany.
teg
If you bothered to read the timeline instead of complaining, you'd learn that they set up a province especially for escaped blacks from Carolina, as well as still receiving immigrants and especially advertising itself in the American Worldfest.
Who's complaining? If I didn't enjoy I wouldn't read.
But I actually had the Worldfest quote in mind. There was a reference to the "right sort" of immigrants, so I assumed that meant Britons, Protestant Germans, and maybe Scandinavians.
This is very different than Cantonese or people from Bengal pouring into Boston.