Yeah... ummm... that might explain it...
Just send in some Synths. Preferably Coursers.
(Sorry, couldn't resist. I'll show myself out now.)
Look to the West Volume V: To Dream Again
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Yeah... ummm... that might explain it...
Just send in some Synths. Preferably Coursers.
(Sorry, couldn't resist. I'll show myself out now.)
Kaiphranos
Donor
A little Googling suggests that the "Fiesta de San Estaban" is December 26, so either "Pacific" is a typo or the oceans are divided somewhat differently.
Anyway, hurrah for an update! The hints at future Societist organization are interesting...
Self-declared? It was made so by the British King Frederick I in the 1750s as a realm equivalent to Scotland during the Union of the Crowns era, or perhaps in its immediate birth a title like the 'Principality of Wales' (although rapidly becoming more like the Kingdom of Scotland and rough dominion equivalent in time from my view...)
So. Posting this while on the road, I will keep it short:
-Ticonderoga is in New York, now? Did New York annex New Connecticut-shite from New England, or is it a typo like Delaware once being a part of the Confederation of Virginia?
-Ah! NOLA a city-state now! Cool! I guess if it becomes part of the ENA as a poster above suggested I cannot complain... but the idea of a small, prosperous French-speaking enclave in North America is really cool. New Orleans is North America's Uruguay, I suppose. I'm glad the ENA, Carolina, and Mexico got their heads out of their asses to help the city out.
(I guess Nouvelle-Orleans is a city-state in LTTW's equivalent of Civ V
)-The way the Societists name their places just hammered home what Lombardi and Pylos said way back in the introduction post: this world really IS alien in some ways.
What a great update. Good work, Thande, as always.
Well yeah, urban renewal schemes and what would be delayed by a need to actually rebuild.
Oh, of course it is! The Feast of Stephen. Good King Wencenslas and so on.
An interesting update with lots of hints. Will probably spend some time later crossreferencing the dates with OTL to work out where all the ZoneUrbs actually are.
Thande
Donor
Thanks for the comments everyone - and I see I have to make a couple of corrections, well at least I can do it now rather than 8 years later as with the Volume I publication
And yeah it is the same tsunami as OTL, for some reason I just misremembered it as mostly impacting on the Pacific rather than the Indian Ocean - which is obviously wrong because as soon as I thought of places it affected I realised they all bordered the Indian Ocean...not sure why I wrote Pacific.
Will edit those mistakes now.
By the way, the starting gag with Wostyn and the World's Biggest Dog is a reference to when Richard Madeley once cut away from a super-serious topic to introduce "and after the break, Britain's biggest dog, and he is very big".
Thanks again everyone and I hope to have more updates for you after Christmas. Have a great break everyone!
What I was going for here was addressing the interesting point that some natural disasters are probably going to be almost unaffected by butterflies or human activity over the course of decades or centuries, i.e. earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanoes; yet other ones are going to be immediately thrown out of whack by chaos theory as soon as the TL diverges, like hurricanes and floods. So you end up with a weird mixture of the same dates as OTL and different ones - the 1780 Great Hurricane doesn't happen (but a similar one happens ten years later instead), yet the Boxing Day Tsunami of 2004 still happens almost the same as OTL even though that's over 200 years later. Well, I find it interesting anyway.Oh, those foreshadowings... I like how you made something that you couldn't really affect part of the timeline, nice job!
And yeah it is the same tsunami as OTL, for some reason I just misremembered it as mostly impacting on the Pacific rather than the Indian Ocean - which is obviously wrong because as soon as I thought of places it affected I realised they all bordered the Indian Ocean...not sure why I wrote Pacific.
Blast it, I literally almost checked that when I was writing it because I couldn't remember whether New Connecticut was in New England or New York, and I ended up going with my gut feeling. I should never do that in LTTW, it's like how I consistently always guess the wrong gender if I don't bother to look up whether a French word is Le or La.
Will edit those mistakes now.
By the way, the starting gag with Wostyn and the World's Biggest Dog is a reference to when Richard Madeley once cut away from a super-serious topic to introduce "and after the break, Britain's biggest dog, and he is very big".
Thanks again everyone and I hope to have more updates for you after Christmas. Have a great break everyone!
Malcolm Forest
Banned
Hi to the author,
Pretty confused to what is going on.
Also very confused as I am pretty sure this has to be an ASB story.
So why is the author posting this in the Before 1900 forum?
I have read other stories like this with similar super eruption events which have been posted as ASB.
Please can the author justify why this is a justifiable Before 1900 story?
Many thanks.
Pretty confused to what is going on.
Also very confused as I am pretty sure this has to be an ASB story.
So why is the author posting this in the Before 1900 forum?
I have read other stories like this with similar super eruption events which have been posted as ASB.
Please can the author justify why this is a justifiable Before 1900 story?
Many thanks.
You might want to read volumes I-IV, as linked in the first post of this thread.
Those are all OTL events which are all being described in a TL that has wildly diverged from OTL.
To be contrarian I'm going to point out that LTTW does have one element which could be argued to be ASB, which is the crosstime 'portals' which are used in the framing story, but the historical events in LTTW are definitely not supposed to be ASB.
Interesting point on the divergence of natural phenomena, this has also come up in the Azureverse (where the Lisbon earthquake is awaited).
I think it's completely clear that weather would start to diverge almost immediately and would become unrecognisable within months if not weeks. Climate on the other hand would diverge very little if at all, unless butterflies caused human inputs (industrialisation, deforestation etc.) to change, so there will still be similar numbers of hurricanes, floods, etc., just on different dates, so the post is quite correct here. Tectonic events are more problematical. I'm not a geologist or vulcanologist, and I doubt whether anyone has ever studied the question, but my gut feeling is that there must be some random influences in the triggering of earthquakes and eruptions, causing small divergences of dates and magnitudes. So after 200 years there might be a Christmas Eve or New Year's Day tsunami rather than a Boxing Day one, and the magnitude might vary by a point or two on the Richter Scale. However, you would think that any variation would follow a normal distribution, so Boxing Day would remain the most likely date.
This doesn't really prove anything much, does it?
Edit: ...and I would think meteor impacts should diverge very little if at all
I think it's completely clear that weather would start to diverge almost immediately and would become unrecognisable within months if not weeks. Climate on the other hand would diverge very little if at all, unless butterflies caused human inputs (industrialisation, deforestation etc.) to change, so there will still be similar numbers of hurricanes, floods, etc., just on different dates, so the post is quite correct here. Tectonic events are more problematical. I'm not a geologist or vulcanologist, and I doubt whether anyone has ever studied the question, but my gut feeling is that there must be some random influences in the triggering of earthquakes and eruptions, causing small divergences of dates and magnitudes. So after 200 years there might be a Christmas Eve or New Year's Day tsunami rather than a Boxing Day one, and the magnitude might vary by a point or two on the Richter Scale. However, you would think that any variation would follow a normal distribution, so Boxing Day would remain the most likely date.
This doesn't really prove anything much, does it?
Edit: ...and I would think meteor impacts should diverge very little if at all
Thande
Donor
I am a little bit alarmed that you do not appear to have heard of the volcanic eruptions, earthquakes and tsunamis which, as noted above, are all entirely OTL. In particular the Boxing Day Tsunami of 2004 which is not exactly an obscure event, killing almost three hundred thousand people and happening barely ten years ago.
The major weather events are obviously different to OTL because of chaos theory but are loosely inspired by real ones, e.g. the 1939 Chinese floods are inspired by the OTL 1931 ones which killed anything between 150,000 and 3 million people - I have gone with the upper estimate. TTL has actually got off relatively lightly in some ways, not having quite matched the 1970 Bhola Cyclone which killed anything up to half a million Bangladeshis and was one of the triggers for the 1971 genocide and Bangladeshi Liberation War. This was, of course, my inspiration for a rather smaller and later weather event in Gujarat leading to the fall of the Ram Kumar regime in TTL.
