Look to the West Volume V: To Dream Again
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While I'm sure Societism will be dystopic, we should keep in mind these snippets we're hearing about are from cultures that oppose Societism in a Cold War. While the West was a obviously a less dystopian place than the Red Bloc during the OTL Cold War, stuff like "Marxists who want to destroy the family" probably wouldn't be something you'd be unlikely to hear. Hell, lately I've seen some conservatives online decry marriage equality proponents with that exact phrasing.
But I could be wrong and Societism could end up being a literal all-consuming black hole of dystopia ready to devour a rainbow of humanity, as implied by the artwork at the beginning of this volume.
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Actually, his family was killed during a house fire and the arsonists all rode unicycles. He of course witnessed it.
Thande
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Yeah, I would have thought that would be obvious: this segment's snippet is particularly biased in its attitudes, as with the whole 'sure, Cythereanism got women rights, but more importantly it undermined those Sanchezista bastards' skewed priorities bit at the start.
Surprised nobody commented on Lister's quote this time...
Oh! Took me a while to discover the intended meaning of that one! Was a bit like, "well, Commodore was some sort of console wasn't it, so I anticipate that the Amiga Commodore is some sort of console in this universe as well". First when I saw that it was in vanity faire and I had done some googling that I discovered that there indeed is such a thing as an Amiga Commodore in this universe, that I realized that, of course, it is being reported as the infidelities of some military officer associated by Amiga (which is a country?).
Thande
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Well done, Holmes, nearly correct.
Intended to be one of those 'wait, what?' AH false friends.
I did think that Amiga sounded like some Japanese company's attempt to sound friendly to the French market while still being able to pronounce the name themselves.
"Amigo, that's French, right?"
"I think it's Spanish, actually."
"Whatever, those Europeans all look and sound the same."
Brilliant update, Thande. I always love to see alternate feminism in TLs, and Cythereanism is a fascinating incarnation of it. The irony of the more conservative or reactionary social element actually embracing voting reform as a means to get more votes always makes me smile, as practicality undermines ideology on the most basic level.
The reference at the very beginning provoked a few laughs out of me, too.
The reference at the very beginning provoked a few laughs out of me, too.
IIRC, in the first OTL election after female suffrage in the UK, the Conservatives got most of the women's vote.
And that precise fear is what kept Radical Republicans from enacting women's suffrage (well, it's one of the reasons anyway) in the French Third Republic. They were afraid that women were more suggestible to the influence of the Catholic Church and, seeing as the Radicals were pretty anticlerical, that just wouldn't do. The irony, of course, being that in 1945, the first time women voted to elect députés, the Assemblée was swept over by a tidal wave of left-wing members.
On that note, I really love how Thande has made the two authors write what is basically 'sure, Cythereanism is pretty nifty on its own, but it's really the best device we could have come up with to counter Societism and the real reason we should promote it' even if they are quick to point out it wasn't really the aim of the movement.
Is this a later rationalization of aims that gradually appeared in the Cythereanism movement or are some of the goals of second- and third-wave feminism present from the very beginning in Cythereanism? What the media ITTL is apparently calling 'pseudo-Cythereanism'.
Also, is Passeridic management named after a yet-to-be-encountered manager who gets infamous for his way of doing business? or is this a derivation from the name of the order of sparrows, as in hovering over everyone, or the way they have to take care of the just-hatched chicks?
On that note, I really love how Thande has made the two authors write what is basically 'sure, Cythereanism is pretty nifty on its own, but it's really the best device we could have come up with to counter Societism and the real reason we should promote it' even if they are quick to point out it wasn't really the aim of the movement.
Is this a later rationalization of aims that gradually appeared in the Cythereanism movement or are some of the goals of second- and third-wave feminism present from the very beginning in Cythereanism? What the media ITTL is apparently calling 'pseudo-Cythereanism'.
Also, is Passeridic management named after a yet-to-be-encountered manager who gets infamous for his way of doing business? or is this a derivation from the name of the order of sparrows, as in hovering over everyone, or the way they have to take care of the just-hatched chicks?
Yes, quite amusing to find UKIPers voicing support for PR after the result of the last UK election
OTL the Tories in Canada got most of the female vote. . . Because they opened it to widows and wives of soldiers who strongly supporters of conscription.
Given the Societist's views on the importance of a culturally homogenized society, eccentricity is most likely frowned on. Going around dressed as a giant rabbit or communicating through bicycle horn is probably also risky.
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Lycaon pictus got it right. (By the way, I liked your Locksmith book, finally got around to reading it).
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I've just realised something- Diversitarian thought would probably love the concept of Wikipedia, for precisely the reasons that many academics dislike it OTL. A free forum where anyone can put their point of view forward, full of edit warring, conflict of ideas, disputes over sources... absolutely perfect for them. Of course one school of thought would probably hold that you need to prove that a differing point of view actually exists in published literature/the news before you could include it in such an article.
'This article on a potentially controversial subject is written from a limited point of view. If you have sources on opposing viewpoints please add them to this page.'
'This article on a potentially controversial subject is written from a limited point of view. If you have sources on opposing viewpoints please add them to this page.'
Another school of thought would probably hold that if a different point of view does not actually exist in published literature/the news, all the more reason for you to include it in the article, because it has to be invented so that it may add to the diversity.
Before I forget, Thande, how powerful are these county corporates vs. the OTL Victorian county councils?
I get the impression more like county boroughs, due to the lack of anything below.