One thought that's just occurred to me is that the Diversitarian attitude to historical revisionism makes the discussion of Lisieux seem somewhat out of character in hindsight (though I can't recall the dates on those books). He seemed to be presented as an unequivocally bad guy without real redeeming features (which, tbf, some of his ideas could have been presented as proto-Diversitarian, but he was pretty bad on a lot of things I'd agree with them on), and his historical revisionism of the French Revolution as, at best, an annoyance, when now it seems like the modern Diversitarian approach might as well have been modelled on some aspects of his.
Look to the West Volume V: To Dream Again
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And the revolution eats its children. Again. If we're even being told the truth.
Indeed.
And I even got a shoutout.
Don't forget, kids, France only took Savoy from (North) Italy and not Nice.
Indeed.
And I even got a shoutout.
Don't forget, kids, France only took Savoy from (North) Italy and not Nice.One thing I found especially interesting about that last part is that the writing style seemed to change right at the end, almost as if it was inserted by a different writer. I wonder if the story has been censored or rewritten as the original wasn't considered anti-Societist enough.
Random small mechanical issue with your Novalatina - given that the word corro is Spanish for "I run" it possibly isn't the best example of gratuitous Novalatina. Maybe use a different part of speech for the Latin so it doesn't resemble the narrator's native language quite as much. Unless this kind of thing is what you're going for in that passage.
I do really enjoy the future updates, although we get a fair bit of commentry on the site it's still good to see an in-universe discussion. As well as more Societist sources one thing I'd find quite interesting would be a verbal perspective from a timeline L person. The ideal would be their perspective on our history of course but I'm guessing that won't be happening for a bit. I'm guessing a doctrinate Societist might not consider it all that different from the Diversitarian world but a Diversitarian would I imagine be pretty creeped out by us in a similar way Diversitarianism and Societism unsettle us.
But anyway, I look forward to buying volume 4 and to seeing 7 and whatever your next project is going to be!
Random small mechanical issue with your Novalatina - given that the word corro is Spanish for "I run" it possibly isn't the best example of gratuitous Novalatina. Maybe use a different part of speech for the Latin so it doesn't resemble the narrator's native language quite as much. Unless this kind of thing is what you're going for in that passage.
I do really enjoy the future updates, although we get a fair bit of commentry on the site it's still good to see an in-universe discussion. As well as more Societist sources one thing I'd find quite interesting would be a verbal perspective from a timeline L person. The ideal would be their perspective on our history of course but I'm guessing that won't be happening for a bit. I'm guessing a doctrinate Societist might not consider it all that different from the Diversitarian world but a Diversitarian would I imagine be pretty creeped out by us in a similar way Diversitarianism and Societism unsettle us.
But anyway, I look forward to buying volume 4 and to seeing 7 and whatever your next project is going to be!
I am surprised that there are only 25 Zones on the Societist Zone map.
1 - UPSA/Platinea(?)
6 - ENA
7 - Nusantara/Batavia
8 - ENA
10 - ENA
13 - UPSA+Peru
14 - UPSA/Chile(?)
17 - Europe
That is (almost) a third of the Zones and they do not seem to include territories from the two largest continents as well as a large part of the Novamund.
Lisieux is one of the bad guys, if not the bad guy of the (modern) history of one of the top Diversitarian powers and some of his policies like the Thouret Départements seem pro-Societist.
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Alex Richards
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Well the Combine is already off to a difficult start. And I'm guessing some of those hints are to the very state-like later nature.
you know what I like about this timeline, its that these ideologies are soo different from our timeline, from adamantianism to Diversitarianism to Societism and ect and how they're all so different yet similar to otl. and something tells me they're going to be more new ideologies appearing in the 20th century and new versions of existing ideologies?
xsampa
Banned
Interesting how Societism uses the metaphor of switching tires and steering wheels. From the internal debates we've had and the references that Diversitarians employ, it's implied that Societism practices slavery as a form of demotion for political opponents or people who fail merit tests, and that this slavery eventually becomes hereditary as the Combine's class structure becomes more calcified due to the pressures of having a whole world staring down at it.
So the Zones are actually deliberately irrational in their "rationality"?
Societism sounds like is descending into unpleasantness very very quickly... well I know in-world narrators on both sides of the ideological divide have a casual approach to truth, to put it mildly, but that only adds to the unpleasantness.
Also, it is increasingly clear how and why the Anglo world at least sees the UPSA a precursor of the Final Society (both being enemies in their eyes obviously) as opposed to a completely different entity.
Societism sounds like is descending into unpleasantness very very quickly... well I know in-world narrators on both sides of the ideological divide have a casual approach to truth, to put it mildly, but that only adds to the unpleasantness.
Also, it is increasingly clear how and why the Anglo world at least sees the UPSA a precursor of the Final Society (both being enemies in their eyes obviously) as opposed to a completely different entity.
Alex Richards
Donor
You know the most unsettling part of all that is the incredibly casual 'oh its good the Mapuche have already experienced complete cultural genocide, they're already ahead of the curve' comment.
It may be Diversitarian perspective to stress that Societism is basically all about cultural genocide... of each and every existing culture on Earth.
They call it "The Bad Idea" for something after all.
Diversitarian slander.
The Combine is just executing policies based on a political idea of a certain talented man from Zone 17 who later moved to Zone 1: It is irresponsible to waste a human life without trying to utilize it as much as possible.
Tribe, city and nation, respectively.
Fantastic ending, and surprise surprise, the hardliners wrest the wheel from the moderates before the ink is even dried on the ceasefire/peace treaty. I second that vote for a societal Zonal map, it'll be interesting to see where a hiccough causing a ruler to shift and how that played out in the creation of the states for the final society. Also, the whole each region not being self sufficient but depending on the others is an economic policy right out of OTL USSR political economy. It'll be interesting to see if the Societists actually manage to get it to work.
Thande
Donor
Thanks for the further comments everyone.
I've been toying with the idea of a Zonal map for ages, but I have a feeling it might be something better left in the viewer's imagination.
I've been toying with the idea of a Zonal map for ages, but I have a feeling it might be something better left in the viewer's imagination.
I'm going to go into this more in the future, but one reason why Lisieux is invoked like Hitler in OTL (despite living over a century earlier) is because he is effectively the last/most recent historical figure that everyone agrees was evil, largely because the countries in which Diversitarianism was built are the ones whose foundational myths are built in part on resistance to/victory over Jacobin France.
That gives the term for the last part of the Jacobin Wars, the War of the Nations a new meaning.
