Look to the West Volume V: To Dream Again
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Another update, another expansion of Meridian influence.
What happened to the remaining Caribbean territories of Imperial Carolina (East Cuba, Hispaniola, the Bahamas, the Leeward and Windward Islands)?
Unlike the Imperial Carolinian provinces on the North American mainland, they were not mentioned at all.
I was wondering about this as well. Perhaps they aren't populous enough to warrant being a Confederation in their own right. They are also former Carolinian provinces, so they must be held suspect by everybody else. Since they had representation, I dunno if they could be Imperial Territories (unless territories can have seats in Parliament?). Perhaps the best place to put them would be in Virginia, despite the geographic awkwardness.
Two updates in two days? Thandebassador, you're spoiling us!
It's interesting seeing the interplay of the Optel and Lectel companies - I kinda hope they both endure in some form to TTL's present day. It also makes me curious as to what rail networks look like...
Very sorry to see (royal) Carolina regain territory - they're such an unpleasant regime that even their smallest success is hard to stomach. There's something bitterly appropriate in Uriah Adams overstepping his mark and meeting his maker, mind.
Nice AndyC cameo - and, it seems, Mowque's counterpart is still casting a long shadow over the ENA...
It's interesting seeing the interplay of the Optel and Lectel companies - I kinda hope they both endure in some form to TTL's present day. It also makes me curious as to what rail networks look like...
Very sorry to see (royal) Carolina regain territory - they're such an unpleasant regime that even their smallest success is hard to stomach. There's something bitterly appropriate in Uriah Adams overstepping his mark and meeting his maker, mind.
Nice AndyC cameo - and, it seems, Mowque's counterpart is still casting a long shadow over the ENA...
Go, America.
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-Well, as has been mentioned by our good sir Ed, the Carolinians regaining territory is terrible. At the same time it's small areas that couldn't really work on their own, so perhaps it's for the best. And keeps Carolinian influence out of the ENA.
-Speaking of influence: New England and New York dominating? When one considers Yankees have probably Yankee-fied French Canada AND spread into the territories of New York and Michigan and Drakesland Confederations they pushed into in OTL (heck, even LONG ISLAND is its own shire now, and it was settled by Connecticuters in the 1640s! Only NYC is non-Yankee at this rate in NY Confederation!) AND what would be *English Canada (what with Quaker/Mid-Atlantic Loyalists settling *Ontario never being a thing without an American Revolution), New England culture in this new ENA will be OUTSIZED and INCREDIBLE. Of course Mid-Atlantic settlers in Pennsylvania and Ohio (including presumably keeping Yankees out of *north Ohio/Cleveland and *north Illinois/Chicago compared to our world, Appalachian culture in Ohio and Westernesee, and Chesapeake people in Virginia shall temper it, but...DAMN. Won't surprise me to see even more heavy empathizing on Puritan and to a lesser extent Quaker values there than our own USA.
....Ahem. Excuse my excited ramblings on ethno-cultural implications, here.
-Also as mentioned: what happened to the West Indian holdings? I suspect another Confederation in the making, to be honest. That would (ironically) be Carolinian influence but tempered by the ocean and the black-majority population there. Makes me surprised Nova Africa isn't in Hispaniola really...it might sadly be easier for all involved to have their own (literal) island in the world.
-I presume New Mexico being renamed Hamilton is a nod to its real-world suggestion to name it so and I think Trinity is named after the local river, yes?
-Of course the time a Delawarean takes control of the Empire is when things are considered bad...*grumble*
-Thank the Lord blacks are finally freed and enfranchised.
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What a great post. Your timeline is amazing all-around and I lap up every update with eagerness, but the ENA has a special place in my heart since LTTW got me to AH.com. May its flag fly high forever.
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-Well, as has been mentioned by our good sir Ed, the Carolinians regaining territory is terrible. At the same time it's small areas that couldn't really work on their own, so perhaps it's for the best. And keeps Carolinian influence out of the ENA.
-Speaking of influence: New England and New York dominating? When one considers Yankees have probably Yankee-fied French Canada AND spread into the territories of New York and Michigan and Drakesland Confederations they pushed into in OTL (heck, even LONG ISLAND is its own shire now, and it was settled by Connecticuters in the 1640s! Only NYC is non-Yankee at this rate in NY Confederation!) AND what would be *English Canada (what with Quaker/Mid-Atlantic Loyalists settling *Ontario never being a thing without an American Revolution), New England culture in this new ENA will be OUTSIZED and INCREDIBLE. Of course Mid-Atlantic settlers in Pennsylvania and Ohio (including presumably keeping Yankees out of *north Ohio/Cleveland and *north Illinois/Chicago compared to our world, Appalachian culture in Ohio and Westernesee, and Chesapeake people in Virginia shall temper it, but...DAMN. Won't surprise me to see even more heavy empathizing on Puritan and to a lesser extent Quaker values there than our own USA.
....Ahem. Excuse my excited ramblings on ethno-cultural implications, here.
-Also as mentioned: what happened to the West Indian holdings? I suspect another Confederation in the making, to be honest. That would (ironically) be Carolinian influence but tempered by the ocean and the black-majority population there. Makes me surprised Nova Africa isn't in Hispaniola really...it might sadly be easier for all involved to have their own (literal) island in the world.
-I presume New Mexico being renamed Hamilton is a nod to its real-world suggestion to name it so and I think Trinity is named after the local river, yes?
-Of course the time a Delawarean takes control of the Empire is when things are considered bad...*grumble*
-Thank the Lord blacks are finally freed and enfranchised.
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What a great post. Your timeline is amazing all-around and I lap up every update with eagerness, but the ENA has a special place in my heart since LTTW got me to AH.com. May its flag fly high forever.
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Great update Thande! It's good to see the Supremacists are able to temper their nativism somewhat... And the Confederal reorganization is a long time comin. I've taken the liberty of making a rough map until someone makes a nicer one.
What are the capitals of the new Confederations? Chichago seems like the logical choice for Michigan given its central location and easy access to the East... Ohio seems to have multiple candidates. Westernesse may be stuck with St. Louis, as it seems to be the only easily accessible large city in the confederation at this point. Drakesland seems likely to go with Washington. OTOH, some of these confederations may try to go with smaller cities to balance out the large existing ones, or maybe even build an entirely new capital central to all of their provinces.
How does Cygnia deal with being literally on the other side of the world from the Imperial Parliament? Even Lectel will not make communication convenient for quite some time. I would assume that eventually they would get tired of having policy set by Fredericksburg regardless of local concerns...
What are the capitals of the new Confederations? Chichago seems like the logical choice for Michigan given its central location and easy access to the East... Ohio seems to have multiple candidates. Westernesse may be stuck with St. Louis, as it seems to be the only easily accessible large city in the confederation at this point. Drakesland seems likely to go with Washington. OTOH, some of these confederations may try to go with smaller cities to balance out the large existing ones, or maybe even build an entirely new capital central to all of their provinces.
How does Cygnia deal with being literally on the other side of the world from the Imperial Parliament? Even Lectel will not make communication convenient for quite some time. I would assume that eventually they would get tired of having policy set by Fredericksburg regardless of local concerns...
Even though it looks better on map now, it's still a pity that the Carolinians managed to retake northern South Province and Georgia.
So... for how long exactly will the Carolinians retain the practice of slavery?
I am happy to see that it's the Yankees who are now in control of the Empire. But I still can't imagine how the America-Cygnia dynamic will work. Do the Cygnians actually want to part of the ENA?
So... for how long exactly will the Carolinians retain the practice of slavery?
I am happy to see that it's the Yankees who are now in control of the Empire.
But I still can't imagine how the America-Cygnia dynamic will work. Do the Cygnians actually want to part of the ENA?
Thande
Donor
Dammit, I knew I would forget something. They're part of Virginia now (for now, at least) - I will edit that in.
Correct, edited.
WHAT THE CHUFF
Seriously WHAT THE CHUFF
I had no idea that was a thing, I picked the name almost at random...that is another of those TERRIFYING COINCIDENCES like when I picked a place for Carolina to have POW camp only to find out there was an ACW one there in OTL.
Thanks!
Thanks for the quick trace map there, that actually clarifies things a lot! I will be deciding on confederal capitals soon with Alex's help, thanks for the suggestions. Broadly speaking this America doesn't have the whole 'put the capital in a smaller city' thing like the OTL USA due to the lack of the 'flee from the big cities on the coast during the ARW' factor normalising it. Though there may be exceptions to that rule, typically if there are two big rival cities and putting it in a third smaller one is a compromise.
That was an error on my part, thanks for spotting it - as has already been heavily implied, Carolina will not be able to hold on to slavery as long as it would like. (But, as is also not the most difficult deduction to make, it's still going to be a place that even titularly free black people aren't going to want to stay in by choice).So... for how long exactly will the Carolinians retain the practice of slavery?
I am happy to see that it's the Yankees who are now in control of the Empire.
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I'd like to reiterate the request of a couple others regarding the fate of the islands formerly belonging to Carolina in the ENA. IIRC the ENA managed to seize some of them and hold some of those; otherwise the ability to project power all the way south to Caracas would be pretty dubious! But I honestly forget which islands wound up controlled by whom; perhaps the French still hold some of them too?
I would think that any of them retained, on paper, by Carolina are in fact under even heavier Meridian influence than the Carolinian mainland. Unless the demographics are heavily butterflied they'd have a much greater proportion of African ethnicity and perhaps the Meridians indulge their distaste for slavery there, formally splitting them off from Carolina and setting them up as nominally independent republics? But that would obviously inflame the Carolinians, including of course the white Anglo-Latino minority who live there. Can the Meridians be high-handed enough to do that?
I hope so but the narrative seems to be setting up rather for the southern American great republic to adopt a Burdenist sort of racism instead. Which would fit with the impression some of us had that part of the horror of Societism is an adoption of racial stratification. That would trouble me much, since even up to this point the Meridians seem like the most worthy of the Great Powers, and I've long felt that if the Societists are in fact not racist they probably would be far less awful than our Diversitarian sources allege. Certainly if Siam is going to become another Societist regional bastion one would doubt a racist narrative would play well there--it could of course be just a special hell reserved for Africans only, with Asians and Native American peoples and islanders generally regarded on a par with Europeans. But special racism against Africans only seems to go very much against the grain of both Sanchez and the Meridian historical arc generally.
It could also be that there is no explicit endorsement of race as a framework for social stratification; it seems that unlike OTL Marxist socialist traditions that denounce both racism and social stratification the Societists may also despise the former--but clearly support the latter, on what would seem to be an individual meritocratic basis. Since the ability of individuals to demonstrate their "merit" is heavily dependent on both individual family/associate connections and wealth, it could well be that just as the modern USA denies that race is a valid category for discrimination yet in fact remains visibly racially stratified, so too the Societist combine denies that race is a relevant factor yet people of African descent remain disproportionately on the bottom of the socio-economic ladder and politically as well, with any movements to close the gap being suppressed on the grounds of running against meritocracy (with a token handful of successful African-descended individuals cites as proof there is no discrimination) and being some sort of Diversitarian Trojan Horse.
It does seem to me the author has largely wound up casting the UPSA as the actual counterpart to the USA ITTL, so if it winds up as the center of a legally borderless realm of capitalist free enterprise, an oligarchy where all are legally equal but some far more equal than others due to the merit manifested by their superior material fortunes, that would seem to fit. And I take the images of a field of uniform people-icons sucked into what appears to be a collapsar that illustrate the opening of this entire volume as a commentary on both Societism and the OTL US global hegemony.
Especially if the Societists turn out to be more explicitly Burdenist than I hope they do.
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I wonder about other islands and other borders too.
Hawaii--last I looked those islands appeared to be falling under Russian influence. Has this gone forward; is the native kingdom there explicitly under a Russian protectorate of some kind?
With the ENA reaching out to claim Cygnia way over across the Pacific as integral territory, the lines of communication across that ocean become critical; Hawaii seems likely to become a zone of contention if it is not firmly under someone's control or remarkably strong in its own right; the latter, cool as it would be, seems pretty far-fetched.
Novy Muscovy is also a zone where Russia and the ENA could again come to blows and the fate of Hawaii seems likely to be wound up in that. Besides the direct confrontation along the latitude line border and across the sound, there is the question of who moves in to claim the unclaimed Indian territory east of the coastal range ridgeline and west of current formal ENA claims; the map shows this territory is in the watershed flowing east so the Russians would be pretty bold and obviously aggressive to move into it; might they however seek to ally themselves with the remnant Native peoples living there to secure the latter from ENA annexation, extending the Russian sphere of influence east while retaining a buffer zone?
OTL the Russian fur traders cultivated relations with select native peoples more or less along the French model in Canada; it didn't mean relations were idyllic but I'd certainly think the Indians of TTL, being so hard done by the Supremicist land grabs of recent decades, would, well, um, Look to the West at this point for help.
Finally, in view of the questions about the Caribbean islands, the status of Hawaii and the ENA in the Pacific generally, as well as their recent debacle on the high seas in the Atlantic at the hands of the Meridians, I'd think that the subject of naval reform and expansion would be a hot one in the ENA. Obviously not so much during the recent pacifist/Patriot interlude, not officially, but any procrastination in building up the ENA navy of the past few years would be one of the political hot potatoes that lead to their being swept out; the new regime has clearly got a mandate to build up the Navy to be second to none and in particular to whip the Meridians at sea, with its hands tied behind its back against other foes, such as a possible Meridian/Russian alliance.
With the Meridians so strong especially in South America, there is little to no connection between the Atlantic and Pacific bases; Drakesland and Cygnia in effect need their own navies, and a heavy investment by the Empire as a whole in subsidizing the necessary infrastructure for them to hold their own while the Atlantic fleet is preoccupied with the USPA (and possibly Russian or other allies swooping down from Europe at the same time). The territory the Russians hold on the Pacific is not so wonderful from an overall resources view (food in particular is hard to come by in those latitudes, though Novy Muscovy is probably good on a small scale, and Yapon can sort of feed itself, barely) but it is good for many crucial naval stores--now of course we are moving fast out of the age of sail and it will be necessary for the Russians to find coal and petroleum on the shores they hold or not too far inland. We know they have the latter but they don't yet! I also think the northern Pacific rim is pretty short on iron, so essential supplies will have to come in from imports or overland, over Russian Asia. Good thing for them their empire has pioneered railroads, but how developed are trans-Siberian communications by now? Is the Russian north Pacific from Yapon to Novy Muscovy, like Drakesland and Cygnia, still essentially a world of its own that must sink or swim with little help from the imperial heartland?
If that will change for maritime Siberia and hence the whole arc with the connection of Pacific to central Russia by rail, it will change for Drakesland too. Still both will remain semi-isolated; Siberia and the Russian Pacific by the sheer cross-country distance as well as challenging climate of any transSiberian route; Drakesland by the rugged terrain the railroad would have to cross. OTL the first transcontinental link in the USA ran through what is here Californian territory; northern tiers came considerably later, only after a southern route or two matched the central one. Here we can only anticipate either of those as the outcome of cooperation with California, but the Californians, despite the origin of many of them from the ENA, will be steering a careful course between the Empire, the Russians, and the Empire of Mexico, with the Meridians as like as not sticking their oar in too from down the Pacific coast.
Where, from their south American bases on the Pacific, they will pose an ongoing threat to ENA ambitions that might well eclipse the Russian rivalry--in fact perhaps the key to the upcoming generation in the Pacific will be a more or less forced alliance between the Russians and ENA Yankees to try to parry Meridian aggression against both?
Or will Russia see the UPSA as the natural ally against ENA in the Pacific, coming to understandings partitioning the gret ocean between them north and south?
And what of California and the Spanish realms between them?
I would think that any of them retained, on paper, by Carolina are in fact under even heavier Meridian influence than the Carolinian mainland. Unless the demographics are heavily butterflied they'd have a much greater proportion of African ethnicity and perhaps the Meridians indulge their distaste for slavery there, formally splitting them off from Carolina and setting them up as nominally independent republics? But that would obviously inflame the Carolinians, including of course the white Anglo-Latino minority who live there. Can the Meridians be high-handed enough to do that?
I hope so but the narrative seems to be setting up rather for the southern American great republic to adopt a Burdenist sort of racism instead.
Which would fit with the impression some of us had that part of the horror of Societism is an adoption of racial stratification. That would trouble me much, since even up to this point the Meridians seem like the most worthy of the Great Powers, and I've long felt that if the Societists are in fact not racist they probably would be far less awful than our Diversitarian sources allege. Certainly if Siam is going to become another Societist regional bastion one would doubt a racist narrative would play well there--it could of course be just a special hell reserved for Africans only, with Asians and Native American peoples and islanders generally regarded on a par with Europeans. But special racism against Africans only seems to go very much against the grain of both Sanchez and the Meridian historical arc generally.It could also be that there is no explicit endorsement of race as a framework for social stratification; it seems that unlike OTL Marxist socialist traditions that denounce both racism and social stratification the Societists may also despise the former--but clearly support the latter, on what would seem to be an individual meritocratic basis. Since the ability of individuals to demonstrate their "merit" is heavily dependent on both individual family/associate connections and wealth, it could well be that just as the modern USA denies that race is a valid category for discrimination yet in fact remains visibly racially stratified, so too the Societist combine denies that race is a relevant factor yet people of African descent remain disproportionately on the bottom of the socio-economic ladder and politically as well, with any movements to close the gap being suppressed on the grounds of running against meritocracy (with a token handful of successful African-descended individuals cites as proof there is no discrimination) and being some sort of Diversitarian Trojan Horse.
It does seem to me the author has largely wound up casting the UPSA as the actual counterpart to the USA ITTL, so if it winds up as the center of a legally borderless realm of capitalist free enterprise, an oligarchy where all are legally equal but some far more equal than others due to the merit manifested by their superior material fortunes, that would seem to fit. And I take the images of a field of uniform people-icons sucked into what appears to be a collapsar that illustrate the opening of this entire volume as a commentary on both Societism and the OTL US global hegemony.
Especially if the Societists turn out to be more explicitly Burdenist than I hope they do.
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I wonder about other islands and other borders too.
Hawaii--last I looked those islands appeared to be falling under Russian influence. Has this gone forward; is the native kingdom there explicitly under a Russian protectorate of some kind?
With the ENA reaching out to claim Cygnia way over across the Pacific as integral territory, the lines of communication across that ocean become critical; Hawaii seems likely to become a zone of contention if it is not firmly under someone's control or remarkably strong in its own right; the latter, cool as it would be, seems pretty far-fetched.
Novy Muscovy is also a zone where Russia and the ENA could again come to blows and the fate of Hawaii seems likely to be wound up in that. Besides the direct confrontation along the latitude line border and across the sound, there is the question of who moves in to claim the unclaimed Indian territory east of the coastal range ridgeline and west of current formal ENA claims; the map shows this territory is in the watershed flowing east so the Russians would be pretty bold and obviously aggressive to move into it; might they however seek to ally themselves with the remnant Native peoples living there to secure the latter from ENA annexation, extending the Russian sphere of influence east while retaining a buffer zone?
OTL the Russian fur traders cultivated relations with select native peoples more or less along the French model in Canada; it didn't mean relations were idyllic but I'd certainly think the Indians of TTL, being so hard done by the Supremicist land grabs of recent decades, would, well, um, Look to the West at this point for help.
Finally, in view of the questions about the Caribbean islands, the status of Hawaii and the ENA in the Pacific generally, as well as their recent debacle on the high seas in the Atlantic at the hands of the Meridians, I'd think that the subject of naval reform and expansion would be a hot one in the ENA. Obviously not so much during the recent pacifist/Patriot interlude, not officially, but any procrastination in building up the ENA navy of the past few years would be one of the political hot potatoes that lead to their being swept out; the new regime has clearly got a mandate to build up the Navy to be second to none and in particular to whip the Meridians at sea, with its hands tied behind its back against other foes, such as a possible Meridian/Russian alliance.
With the Meridians so strong especially in South America, there is little to no connection between the Atlantic and Pacific bases; Drakesland and Cygnia in effect need their own navies, and a heavy investment by the Empire as a whole in subsidizing the necessary infrastructure for them to hold their own while the Atlantic fleet is preoccupied with the USPA (and possibly Russian or other allies swooping down from Europe at the same time). The territory the Russians hold on the Pacific is not so wonderful from an overall resources view (food in particular is hard to come by in those latitudes, though Novy Muscovy is probably good on a small scale, and Yapon can sort of feed itself, barely) but it is good for many crucial naval stores--now of course we are moving fast out of the age of sail and it will be necessary for the Russians to find coal and petroleum on the shores they hold or not too far inland. We know they have the latter but they don't yet! I also think the northern Pacific rim is pretty short on iron, so essential supplies will have to come in from imports or overland, over Russian Asia. Good thing for them their empire has pioneered railroads, but how developed are trans-Siberian communications by now? Is the Russian north Pacific from Yapon to Novy Muscovy, like Drakesland and Cygnia, still essentially a world of its own that must sink or swim with little help from the imperial heartland?
If that will change for maritime Siberia and hence the whole arc with the connection of Pacific to central Russia by rail, it will change for Drakesland too. Still both will remain semi-isolated; Siberia and the Russian Pacific by the sheer cross-country distance as well as challenging climate of any transSiberian route; Drakesland by the rugged terrain the railroad would have to cross. OTL the first transcontinental link in the USA ran through what is here Californian territory; northern tiers came considerably later, only after a southern route or two matched the central one. Here we can only anticipate either of those as the outcome of cooperation with California, but the Californians, despite the origin of many of them from the ENA, will be steering a careful course between the Empire, the Russians, and the Empire of Mexico, with the Meridians as like as not sticking their oar in too from down the Pacific coast.
Where, from their south American bases on the Pacific, they will pose an ongoing threat to ENA ambitions that might well eclipse the Russian rivalry--in fact perhaps the key to the upcoming generation in the Pacific will be a more or less forced alliance between the Russians and ENA Yankees to try to parry Meridian aggression against both?
Or will Russia see the UPSA as the natural ally against ENA in the Pacific, coming to understandings partitioning the gret ocean between them north and south?
And what of California and the Spanish realms between them?
Thande
Donor
I admit I first came across the name in Tolkien, but he got it from King Horn, mentioned in the text. People argue about whether this was ever meant to be an unidentified actual realm in Britain or just a fictional one; if the latter, it is also pleasing symmetry that it's almost adjacent to California, which (as previously mentioned) was also named for a fictitious realm out of a novel.
This is the kind of thing that makes my day in terms of amusement.
The more things change, the more they stay the same, apparently....
Thande
Donor
Thanks for reminding me, I had meant to put something about that in the Telegraph Wars update, but I will save it for a future one now.
Oh, I just clocked the lovely dollop of allohistorical irony that is Vandalia's status - nicely done
I like the flower theme naming of this area.
Interesting to see they've had a general election recently there too (well, in four years' time, but never mind). I'm also slightly puzzled by the location of the Burgess's house if Croydon isn't considered part of London TTL. But the comment about his library is brilliant.
The discussion about the Global Games makes sense (the Cyclopedia is definitely reminiscent of what I recall of seeing of TTL's equivalent). Like the detail of laurels rather than gold medals. Why the triennial holding? Is the Sulemain cameo a reference to anything?
The struggle between Wostyn and his superiors is brilliant. The aerodrome excerpt seems very Ladybird-like, but that seems 60s-ish rather than modern. I like your treatment of nukes, the Freedom House equivalent, and the gossip rags. Generations of TTL students thank you for the changes on charge.
I am inclined to deduce from his constituency and my earlier musings that Monsieur Batten-Hale may have been a parachutee who did not spend that much time in Croydon, but brought his children when he did. (Can I also express my slight disappointment that doradist doesn't become goldist as droit became right - I'm guessing pure would probably replace far and hard and soft would remain the same).
Novamundine seems a good compromise.
The Cytherean Women stuff is glorious and plausible, and I like roundabouts being circuses and stop-and-goes - though I'm slightly puzzled by some of this Batten-Hale note. The revival of Manx warms the cockles of my heart.
This coded message and its content makes me rather suspicious about Mr Batten-Hale's activities... and precisely who the previous message was to. (Of course, he is a Tory, that's suspicious behaviour full stop for me
)I like the optel changes - particularly how you reverse the common OTL position of telegraphs being run by postal service.
I doubt radio will be that much better known to be based on light than OTL - it's only obvious if you know Greek, which admittedly may form a larger section of the general public than OTL.
I'm somewhat confused as to exactly what sort of messages these are from/to Batten-Hale - from the description, they sound like handwritten letters, but they feel more like texts (I suppose faxes might work).
Good to see the Patriots' comeuppance, and I like the jokes about "that's a banned party" and the reversal of "Bob's your uncle". The satires sound pretty good too. Now Ed Costello's pointed it out, the Vandalia reversal is also good. I hope Libby Grey has great things in her future.
And of course the AndyC cameo is brilliant, I wonder what he's proposing? (I don't actually know what system Andy favours in RL, it occurs to me) In fact, is he essentially the father of psephology TTL?
Unintentional help is unintentional.
And another, this time intentional, help forthcoming: you forgot about Bermuda territory. It's not listed under Virginia or anywhere else.
Thande
Donor
Thank you for the detailed feedback, I appreciate it!
Heh, I suppose he is - I hadn't really realised that, I was just making him the ultimate father of PR.
The system that will eventually result from this is the one I discussed with you at the Brum meetup.
Thanks, I will add that as well!Unintentional help is unintentional.
And another, this time intentional, help forthcoming: you forgot about Bermuda territory. It's not listed under Virginia or anywhere else.
*cough* AndyC's favourite system of electoral representation is AV *cough*
*cough* AV is not PR *cough*
By the way, what are the statuses of representation of the territories? Does Greenland have any MCP's, for example?
I somehow doubt this will be exactly what he proposed though - the majoritarian aspect in particular seems unlikely.
He prefers AV to FPTP, but having checked he also seems to have said he likes STV best.