Look to the West: Thread III, Volume IV (Tottenham Nil)!

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I wanted a united Italy and you are fracturing it even more. :( Well, so far... we will see what will happen with Romeo and Juliet here. :D

Also, I think you meant Sardinian and not Sicilian republic.
 

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I wanted a united Italy and you are fracturing it even more. :( Well, so far... we will see what will happen with Romeo and Juliet here. :D

Also, I think you meant Sardinian and not Sicilian republic.

Could've sworn I typed Sardinian. Will fix in a bit and reply to the other comments when I have the time to respond in detail.

Interesting that everyone goes for the Romeo and Juliet comparison when I was actually thinking more of a subverted Disney story with a bit of gender role reversal. I suppose the Italian setting helps the former.
 
Could've sworn I typed Sardinian. Will fix in a bit and reply to the other comments when I have the time to respond in detail.

Interesting that everyone goes for the Romeo and Juliet comparison when I was actually thinking more of a subverted Disney story with a bit of gender role reversal. I suppose the Italian setting helps the former.

I think it's more the 'mine greatest love born from mine greatest enemy' aspect actually.
 
Could've sworn I typed Sardinian. Will fix in a bit and reply to the other comments when I have the time to respond in detail.

Interesting that everyone goes for the Romeo and Juliet comparison when I was actually thinking more of a subverted Disney story with a bit of gender role reversal. I suppose the Italian setting helps the former.
They should get married/meet a depressing end in Verona.
 
Very interesting. Very, very interesting. All in all: great update.

Prediction for what would be the cliché if efficient solution to this: a new war starts some time in the future over this, Fernando Francesco and Paolo Luigi kill each other on the battlefield, leading to the grieving parents to reconcile and allow their remaining children to marry each other. Salic Law is abolished in Naples, leading to both spouses eventually succeeding to their respective thrones, uniting Italy and living happily ever after.

Of course, given that this is Thande writing it, even if that solution does happen, there will be a lot of unexpected twists and turns coming before it does.
 
Could've sworn I typed Sardinian. Will fix in a bit and reply to the other comments when I have the time to respond in detail.

Interesting that everyone goes for the Romeo and Juliet comparison when I was actually thinking more of a subverted Disney story with a bit of gender role reversal. I suppose the Italian setting helps the former.

I was thinking Rapunzel.
 
Interesting that everyone goes for the Romeo and Juliet comparison when I was actually thinking more of a subverted Disney story with a bit of gender role reversal. I suppose the Italian setting helps the former.

On the drive to work this morning, I was thinking how that story would make a great alt-Disney film, with some fantastic award-bait songs...
 
Of course, what will almost certainly happen now is that the descendants of a Hapsburg-Bourbon union will reign over a unified Italy that doesn't include Tuscany.
 
On the drive to work this morning, I was thinking how that story would make a great alt-Disney film, with some fantastic award-bait songs...
In the film, the song where the princess joins in with the Duke will have the words "Let me go, let me go, don't hold me back any more..." ;)
(Sorry, I've been watching too much Disney with my daughter.)
 
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On the drive to work this morning, I was thinking how that story would make a great alt-Disney film, with some fantastic award-bait songs...
Hopefully it would take a note from Aladdin or the Lion King and let the prince have some character development rather than just being a tool to save the day.
 

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Replying now with edits.

I love how the distinction between Howden and the "reclaimed" Iroquois becomes a Heritage Point of Controversy - it's one of those things that screams "this ain't OTL". How many Heritage Points of Controversy are there? It seems to me there must often be multiple ones on the same day?
I'd also like to ask again about the Confederation governments - in Carolina and, here, New York, the Speaker definitely seems the most powerful figure, but in Virginia it seems to be the Governor. For that matter, are the Salem Movement now aligned with the Supremacists?
It was previously discussed that the Supremacists are in part a reinvention of the old Salem Movement/Trust Party with a more universal message, and have swallowed up its remainder in New England.
Does Bassett actually have the votes to re-allow slavery? I would have thought many of the Pro-Peace Independents, if they were truly based on the memory of Quedling's hypocrisy, would vote against it.
He has the votes to declare that everything that happened since the Convention was summoned is legally void, similar to Britain after the Restoration. If it was pared down to issue by issue, he wouldn't have the votes for that, no, but that's not the approach that's being taken.

As for the constitutional balance in the Confederations, it's variable - the elected Governor is particularly powerful in Virginia due to breaking the deadlock between the eastern and western vote in the House of Burgesses, whereas in New England and New York the Speaker of the legislature remains more powerful, and in Pennsylvania it's a balance.
Will Wragg have any official role in the new Kingdom? I suspect he may do what Churchill did with Dundas and succeed Beauchamp once Henry Frederick is King.
The Kingdom of Carolina is currently in a weird place where it has both a King and a Governor. Wragg has largely rendered his own office redundant however and I could see what you describe happening.
Is California the first place explicitly Adamantine in constitution?
Yes.
I seem to remember someone mentioning having made this mistake on the original LTTW thread - is this inspired by that?
Yes, I mentioned that above in another comment.
I only make it six..... (Louis le Grand Dauphin, Louis le Petit Dauphin, Louis XV, TTL Louis XVI, TTL Louis XVII, Charles himself)
You're right, I changed it at the last minute to Charles saying it rather than his son, hence the confusion. Will edit.

Also, I think you meant Sardinian and not Sicilian republic.
Finally got a chance to fix this.
 
Loving the Italy update, especially the anecdote about the prince and princess, those kind of additions really bring the timeline to life.
 
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