From what I have read, Poland seems to be just about the only place on Russia's borders where Russia hasn't been confirmed to be doing or planning mischief by now. I wonder how Russo-Polish relations are. Russo-Danubian and Russo-Ottoman relations appear to be on the way to taking a turn for the worse, and this will surely have some effect on the issue.
Look to the West: Thread III, Volume IV (Tottenham Nil)!
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I've finally got around to translating Vosem's excellent work on the ENA election of 1840 into a map. However I have decided to make some changes as I have altered my plans somewhat since then. One consequence is that the Patriots win a slightly smaller majority than I planned before, I will retcon the original post.
That's a lot of borrough(sic) seats in New York City. Is it one for each of the city wards (Queens, Kings, etc.) now?
I don't remember details from this TL, but OTL the 5 boroughs didn't form New York City until 1898. There's no reason for this merger to necessarily have happened, iTTL.
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At first that would definitely have been the case, but it has shifted over time--details of which I will be covering in the next part.
What you describe was also the case for the western seats, which were created in the 1800s when hardly anyone lived there to be Patriot pocket boroughs, but since that time then got enough people to vote Neutral. However, this election turned some of them Patriot again due to the disarray in the Radicals and Neutrals over the party merger.
When could we expect the next update?
On the subject of Turkey, what are their relations with the rest of the world at the moment beyond Danbuia and Russia?
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I've been watching the new series of How the states got their shapes on H2* (which is compulsary viewing to everyone who likes Big Tex's United States of Ameriwank), and after the most recent episode (#2), I must ask - what is the canal and railway system in the ENA like by this point?
I'm guessing that the shapes of the confederations will also have an influence on these ITTL.
*Which is really interesting, and for a History Channel spin-off channel, is actually *gasp* historical
I'm guessing that the shapes of the confederations will also have an influence on these ITTL.
*Which is really interesting, and for a History Channel spin-off channel, is actually *gasp* historical
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Will be covered in probably the next update.I've been watching the new series of How the states got their shapes on H2* (which is compulsary viewing to everyone who likes Big Tex's United States of Ameriwank), and after the most recent episode (#2), I must ask - what is the canal and railway system in the ENA like by this point?
I'm guessing that the shapes of the confederations will also have an influence on these ITTL.
*Which is really interesting, and for a History Channel spin-off channel, is actually *gasp* historical
One thing I slightly regret in retrospect is not realising that the New York/Pennsylvania border wasn't settled until long after the POD in OTL, so it could easily have been further north.
Along with how the formerly-British-but-now-American colonies in North America, too, I hope. But I still look forwards to this. Maybe someone could do a map of them (
).But randomly drawing lines on the map, that cross through areas that hardly anyone lives in, is both in the best tradition of (a) the US states, and (b) imperial powers...
Though having part of southern Ontario being in Pennsylvania would have looked strange - unless it covered the bit south of the Iroqois state/tribal area/whatever it is now, which would make more sense if their land stretched from one side to the other in a straight line rather than a wiggle.
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Mind you, New York's already got the short end of the stick with the western territories so if it's probably for the best.
Excellent map, Thande!
And a question I just noticed: on the Nugax map of the ENA (which is 1815), Iceland is indicated to be part of the British Empire. Presumably, as such it probably passed into ENA hands during the younger Marlborough's rule. What is the situation like there right now? (And Greenland apparently is an out-and-out territory belonging to the Confederation of New England).
And a question I just noticed: on the Nugax map of the ENA (which is 1815), Iceland is indicated to be part of the British Empire. Presumably, as such it probably passed into ENA hands during the younger Marlborough's rule. What is the situation like there right now? (And Greenland apparently is an out-and-out territory belonging to the Confederation of New England).
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To clarify, Iceland and Greenland initially had rather vague legal status after Britain purchased them from Christian VII. What happened since is that Iceland was turned into a kingdom in personal union with Britain and Greenland was given to New England as unorganised territory. Iceland was basically left almost completely to its own devices and treated not unlike the Isle of Man. Because of this, all the chaotic upheavals in Britain haven't really changed anything and thus Iceland is still in personal union with Britain and probably coloured pale red on maps without that really meaning much beyond fishery enforcement rights. The Americans never occupied it because it wasn't strictly a British territory, it was a separate Crown land.
I would recommend reading the TL in its entirety, it's the only way to enjoy it fully. If you wish to avoid reading comments in between posts though you can find the text only version here ---> https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=157898
The wiki has a condensed timeline of the TL. Start here, and go into each section in turn. Fair warning, Thande updates these as new information is revealed in the posts.
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